Started logging meeting in #ubuntu-us-tn<br />
[19:12:50] &lt;cyberanger&gt; ppb1701: is this your first meeting?<br />
[19:13:07] &lt;ppb1701&gt; yees<br />
[19:13:41] &lt;cyberanger&gt; well it's pretty painless (usually, they drag on every now & then)<br />
[19:14:08] &lt;cyberanger&gt; MootBot has some commands, we'll try to guide you through it if needed<br />
[19:14:48] &lt;ppb1701&gt; thanks<br />
[19:15:21] * wrst may need a reminder too<br />
[19:15:25] &lt;cyberanger&gt; well, some items I'd like to hold off on (mainly in case we get more members later on)<br />
[19:16:21] &lt;cyberanger&gt; wrst: as may I, but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScribesTeam/MootBot has a fair writeup, so I hope we can handle it too, since we have seen it in action before too<br />
[19:16:24] &lt;cyberanger&gt; ok<br />
[19:17:10] &lt;cyberanger&gt; 20:16 EST, time to start (I jumped the gun a bit on MootBot )<br />
[19:17:40] &lt;cyberanger&gt; [topic] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScribesTeam/MootBot<br />
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[19:17:48] &lt;cyberanger&gt; bad cut & past<br />
[19:17:50] &lt;cyberanger&gt; e<br />
[19:18:06] &lt;cyberanger&gt; let's try that one again<br />
[19:18:11] &lt;cyberanger&gt; without the opps<br />
[19:18:56] &lt;cyberanger&gt; [topic] remember to check for errors when using cut & paste<br />
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[19:19:06] &lt;cyberanger&gt; [topic] Discuss LoCoTN website domain name<br />
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[19:19:35] &lt;netritious&gt; locotn.info<br />
[19:19:42] &lt;netritious&gt; $0.88<br />
[19:20:02] * wrst has some spare change will donate<br />
[19:20:06] &lt;cyberanger&gt; ok, right now we have w4ett gone for 12+ weeks based on nickserv, the forums has him gone a few days longer<br />
[19:20:36] &lt;cyberanger&gt; also, I've noticed a pattern in domains for teams under the us loco (which we are)<br />
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[19:21:09] &lt;cyberanger&gt; http://ubuntu-<state>.org/<br />
[19:21:34] &lt;cyberanger&gt; netritious: do we want to go at another .info?<br />
[19:22:00] &lt;netritious&gt; I think we just need one and it shouldn't put anyone out..$0.88 is just so cheap<br />
[19:22:30] &lt;netritious&gt; at that price I can get for 5 years<br />
[19:22:49] &lt;netritious&gt; for .org it's $10-11 which I wouldn't be able to do the same<br />
[19:23:32] &lt;cyberanger&gt; ok, how about ubuntu-tennessee.info then (closer to what other states are doing, without rasing the price much)<br />
[19:23:44] &lt;netritious&gt; would prob get an SSL cert and domain for 3 years, which comes out to be about $40-$50<br />
[19:24:03] &lt;netritious&gt; ^^it's long<br />
[19:24:36] &lt;wrst&gt; 1and1 will do the domain for 6.99 then 8.99 after the first year<br />
[19:24:43] * wrst is not real wild about 1and1<br />
[19:24:45] &lt;netritious&gt; cyberanger: it's a fine domain name...I've never been much of one to follow the crows though<br />
[19:24:46] &lt;cyberanger&gt; yeah, or see about a CAcert (in debian it's root CA is installed & enabled, but ubuntu only installs it, web of trust though)<br />
[19:25:29] &lt;cyberanger&gt; netritious: well, I think since we got two domains atm & can't alter a thing on the current server, following the crows maybe smart<br />
[19:25:52] &lt;netritious&gt; that's a little confusing..<br />
[19:25:56] &lt;cyberanger&gt; but normally, I'd do the same (less bird poo to smell)<br />
[19:26:11] &lt;netritious&gt; but I get what you mean<br />
[19:27:01] &lt;cyberanger&gt; netritious: yes indeed, which is why I've asked who can edit the html doc's on the current site (current in this case is the one with a full FQDN & the server it points to)<br />
[19:27:12] &lt;cyberanger&gt; & heard crickets<br />
[19:27:22] &lt;netritious&gt; anyone that is admin in WordPress and wrst<br />
[19:27:33] &lt;netritious&gt; wrst has administrative control via webmin<br />
[19:27:35] &lt;wrst&gt; and netritious<br />
[19:27:40] &lt;netritious&gt; and me :)<br />
[19:27:53] &lt;wrst&gt; i wouldn't care a bit to help on on the finace end of either domain name<br />
[19:28:05] &lt;netritious&gt; I don't mind covering it..<br />
[19:28:16] &lt;netritious&gt; I just wanted to do it for 2-3 years +SSL<br />
[19:28:28] &lt;wrst&gt; ahh yes SSL<br />
[19:28:29] &lt;cyberanger&gt; netritious: so you can edit ubuntu-us-tn.info/index.html & tell it we are now at ubuntu-tennessee.info?<br />
[19:28:39] &lt;netritious&gt; oh<br />
[19:28:51] &lt;netritious&gt; I'm sorry cyberangeri thought you menat the vps<br />
[19:29:08] &lt;cyberanger&gt; or your server (in this case, I'm reffering to it as beta or next gen. etc)<br />
[19:29:13] &lt;cyberanger&gt; ah, ok<br />
[19:29:32] &lt;cyberanger&gt; so nobody we know of (outside of w4ett) can edit the current one<br />
[19:29:34] &lt;wrst&gt; i think netritious has what probably should be the site its pretty good<br />
[19:29:53] &lt;netritious&gt; ubuntu-us-tn.info is kaput..none is using/updating it, so I guess we can forget about it<br />
[19:30:14] &lt;netritious&gt; idk if even w4ett can tbh<br />
[19:30:26] &lt;cyberanger&gt; netritious: exactly, can we edit the html doc's<br />
[19:30:30] &lt;netritious&gt; I know binarymutant could, but not sure who else could<br />
[19:30:48] &lt;netritious&gt; not at ubuntu-us-tn.info, no I don't believe we can edit the docs<br />
[19:31:12] &lt;cyberanger&gt; well, w4ett has domain info for what I read & I can reach binarymutant (with a little waiting time)<br />
[19:31:14] &lt;netritious&gt; *no I don't believe we can edit the docs at ubuntu-us-tn.info<br />
[19:31:39] &lt;netritious&gt; has anyone contacted w4ett about this issue?<br />
[19:31:43] &lt;cyberanger&gt; so here's what I propose (to vote on) in a moment<br />
[19:31:47] &lt;netritious&gt; or should we just move on?<br />
[19:32:04] &lt;netritious&gt; pretend that ubuntu-us-tn.info is defunct?<br />
[19:32:10] &lt;cyberanger&gt; I've been told someone has, but at 12 weeks I think moving on is ok<br />
[19:32:20] &lt;netritious&gt; I agree<br />
[19:32:45] &lt;wrst&gt; cyberanger, netritious i chatted with him on facebook but that was round christmas last time i talked with him<br />
[19:32:48] &lt;cyberanger&gt; also, with pace & ericG gone for this meeting (& baytes resigning)<br />
[19:33:04] &lt;cyberanger&gt; wrst: yeah, same as everyone else too<br />
[19:33:09] &lt;netritious&gt; hi mac9416<br />
[19:33:10] &lt;cyberanger&gt; mac9416: hi, meeting time<br />
[19:33:22] &lt;mac9416&gt; Howdy, netritious cyberanger, sorry I'm late.<br />
[19:33:24] &lt;cyberanger&gt; current topic is our domain name<br />
[19:33:29] &lt;mac9416&gt; k, cool<br />
[19:33:45] &lt;mac9416&gt; Could someone pastebin the logs up till now?<br />
[19:34:02] &lt;netritious&gt; I got it<br />
[19:34:02] &lt;cyberanger&gt; mac9416: eh, it's a fasionable arrival & better late then never<br />
[19:34:10] &lt;mac9416&gt; :-)<br />
[19:34:16] &lt;cyberanger&gt; mac9416: well, a one liner will cover the gist<br />
[19:34:24] &lt;mac9416&gt; cyberanger, OK<br />
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[19:34:35] &lt;netritious&gt; http://pastebin.com/m7b9c08da<br />
[19:34:52] &lt;mac9416&gt; netritious, ah, thanks.<br />
[19:34:57] &lt;cyberanger&gt; we are disscussing getting a new domain name & the current thought is buying ubuntu-tennessee.info & grab some ssl stuff<br />
[19:34:58] &lt;netritious&gt; np<br />
[19:35:12] &lt;cyberanger&gt; no vote has yet happened & this is the first issue covered<br />
[19:35:50] &lt;cyberanger&gt; (feel free to read the logs, but we're not too far in the meeting)<br />
[19:35:55] &lt;cyberanger&gt; ok<br />
[19:36:13] &lt;mac9416&gt; Well, I think locotn.netritious.com is about as good as a .info, don't y'all think?<br />
[19:36:44] &lt;cyberanger&gt; we're aiming for something long term outside a subdomain<br />
[19:36:45] &lt;wrst&gt; and gets netritious some advertisement :)<br />
[19:36:47] &lt;cyberanger&gt; I think<br />
[19:36:49] &lt;netritious&gt; vote on whether we should forget ubuntu-us-tn.info altogether, and when w4ett gets back around ask him to forward to the vps?<br />
[19:37:00] &lt;cyberanger&gt; ok netritious<br />
[19:37:03] &lt;cyberanger&gt; will do<br />
[19:37:03] &lt;mac9416&gt; netritious, +1<br />
[19:37:07] &lt;cyberanger&gt; wait<br />
[19:37:19] &lt;cyberanger&gt; oh, I thought that was a vote too soonm<br />
[19:38:49] &lt;cyberanger&gt; [vote] label ubuntu-us-tn.info defunct (at least till we can point it at the next-gen setup)<br />
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[19:39:03] &lt;netritious&gt; +1<br />
[19:39:10] &lt;wrst&gt; +1<br />
[19:39:14] &lt;ppb1701&gt; +1<br />
[19:39:15] &lt;mac9416&gt; +1<br />
[19:39:31] &lt;cyberanger&gt; +1<br />
[19:39:37] &lt;cyberanger&gt; [endvote]<br />
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[19:39:49] &lt;cyberanger&gt; I think that is everyone<br />
[19:40:08] &lt;cyberanger&gt; now, how about voting on a new domain?<br />
[19:40:34] &lt;netritious&gt; awesome...let's vote on whether to buy a new domain name? I don't mind the sub domain, but I think the loco deserves it's own DN<br />
[19:40:40] &lt;netritious&gt; tada<br />
[19:40:43] &lt;cyberanger&gt; same here<br />
[19:41:03] &lt;netritious&gt; everyone else?<br />
[19:41:04] &lt;cyberanger&gt; plus ssl likes having a FQDN & members can get a subdomain maybe?<br />
[19:41:17] &lt;cyberanger&gt; sounds worthy a vote, comments?<br />
[19:41:21] &lt;netritious&gt; yes that is exactly what I was thinking<br />
[19:41:24] * wrst yeilds to the experts<br />
[19:41:33] &lt;wrst&gt; *yields<br />
[19:41:38] &lt;cyberanger&gt; fair enough I suppose<br />
[19:41:39] &lt;wrst&gt; hmm that doesn't look right either<br />
[19:41:44] &lt;cyberanger&gt; mac9416: comments?<br />
[19:41:49] &lt;cyberanger&gt; ppb1701: comments?<br />
[19:42:08] &lt;mac9416&gt; cyberanger, I say vote on buying one. But we still have to work out who has admin access to it.<br />
[19:42:24] &lt;ppb1701&gt; i think so too<br />
[19:42:42] &lt;cyberanger&gt; well, I think that issue is somewhat handled (I'll metion why after the vote)<br />
[19:42:44] &lt;mac9416&gt; Basically we need more than one person who can edit the DN info.<br />
[19:42:51] &lt;mac9416&gt; cyberanger, OK, cool.<br />
[19:43:05] &lt;mac9416&gt; Figured maybe y'all had figured something out. :-)<br />
[19:43:19] &lt;netritious&gt; admin access is simple really..whoever buys the domain that we use will have admin access and everyone else won't, at least that would be the case if I purchased it using my godaddy account<br />
[19:43:21] &lt;cyberanger&gt; unless you want me to goto that now (since it could sway the vote in opinon maybe)<br />
[19:43:36] &lt;mac9416&gt; cyberanger, might be a good idea.<br />
[19:43:44] &lt;cyberanger&gt; netritious: I have another way around that mess<br />
[19:43:53] &lt;cyberanger&gt; & sounds like it's nessary<br />
[19:43:59] &lt;cyberanger&gt; to metion now<br />
[19:44:02] * netritious is all ears<br />
[19:44:52] &lt;cyberanger&gt; part of the issue we have is two fold, one is those with full admin accesss (our regional poc's & trustee) seem to come & go more often than certain members<br />
[19:45:01] &lt;cyberanger&gt; the other issue is payment<br />
[19:45:41] &lt;cyberanger&gt; if admin info is spread to the poc's & select additional admins (like irc linkedin & the vps do atm)<br />
[19:45:50] &lt;cyberanger&gt; then the payment is a hassle<br />
[19:45:58] &lt;netritious&gt; exactly<br />
[19:46:35] &lt;mac9416&gt; So the admins password or whatever will be emailed to the PoCs and certain members?<br />
[19:46:40] &lt;cyberanger&gt; well, the solution I researched is create a seperate loco account at domain provider (godaddy, netfirms, 1&1, someone small etc.)<br />
[19:46:58] &lt;cyberanger&gt; mac9416: yes, but then issue two appears<br />
[19:47:07] &lt;mac9416&gt; Who pays for it.<br />
[19:47:11] &lt;cyberanger&gt; issue two is solved tactfully by paypal<br />
[19:47:24] &lt;cyberanger&gt; they give out one time use card numbers<br />
[19:47:38] &lt;mac9416&gt; Great feature.<br />
[19:47:44] &lt;cyberanger&gt; billing address will match whois info anyhow<br />
[19:48:47] &lt;cyberanger&gt; so if the buyer doesn't mind (whois data says they won't) damage to finance is avoided via a one time card<br />
[19:49:04] &lt;cyberanger&gt; nobody can use it twice (including godaddy)<br />
[19:49:42] &lt;cyberanger&gt; & if that person vanishes, another patron steps up & uses the same method, by altering billing info<br />
[19:50:16] &lt;cyberanger&gt; (maybe vote on this method & then vote on using it for a dn purchase?)<br />
[19:50:23] &lt;cyberanger&gt; unless comments needed<br />
[19:50:24] &lt;chris4585&gt; cyberanger, I'd be afraid of going to either cuba or mexico<br />
[19:50:36] &lt;cyberanger&gt; odd timing chris4585<br />
[19:50:40] &lt;chris4585&gt; well actually I'm less scared of cuba<br />
[19:50:49] &lt;cyberanger&gt; great reply though<br />
[19:50:58] &lt;cyberanger&gt; (meeting time)<br />
[19:51:00] &lt;chris4585&gt; cuba is a fairly friendly place<br />
[19:51:15] * wrst is afraid to leave TN<br />
[19:51:19] &lt;chris4585&gt; but I'd still be afraid I'd be abducted<br />
[19:51:27] * mac9416 is afraid to leave the house.<br />
[19:51:39] &lt;cyberanger&gt; chris4585: meeting time, love the reply though<br />
[19:51:40] &lt;netritious&gt; cyberanger: I'd like to make a few points<br />
[19:51:47] &lt;cyberanger&gt; netritious: go ahead<br />
[19:51:51] &lt;netritious&gt; Cuba is awesome<br />
[19:51:51] &lt;chris4585&gt; :)<br />
[19:51:55] &lt;netritious&gt; lol<br />
[19:51:57] &lt;netritious&gt; j/k<br />
[19:52:02] &lt;netritious&gt; no really though...<br />
[19:52:15] &lt;cyberanger&gt; netritious has the floor<br />
[19:52:23] &lt;netritious&gt; anyone here can buy a domain name and point it to any server..<br />
[19:52:38] &lt;netritious&gt; with that said anyone here can buy a domain and point it to the vps<br />
[19:52:47] &lt;cyberanger&gt; exactly<br />
[19:52:50] &lt;netritious&gt; or next-gen hosting (that's kinda catchy)<br />
[19:53:06] &lt;chris4585&gt; didn't mean to inturupt the meeting<br />
[19:53:23] &lt;cyberanger&gt; chris4585: your fine, bad timing happens<br />
[19:53:50] &lt;netritious&gt; what I am willing to do is donate a .info domain for use with the vps or any other hosting that the loco decides it wants to use, with SSL for at least two years<br />
[19:54:04] &lt;netritious&gt; ^^that does not require a vote..anyone can do that<br />
[19:54:14] &lt;netritious&gt; any one of us could do that<br />
[19:54:23] &lt;netritious&gt; ..but there's more<br />
[19:54:29] &lt;cyberanger&gt; ok<br />
[19:54:50] &lt;cyberanger&gt; continue<br />
[19:54:56] &lt;cyberanger&gt; please<br />
[19:55:01] &lt;netritious&gt; so what I am saying is 'pick a new name' already..i get discounts for buying bulk and have been waiting on this team to make up their  mind lol<br />
[19:55:33] &lt;netritious&gt; don't have to worry about payments or control or dns anymore<br />
[19:55:41] &lt;cyberanger&gt; half the headace is what the offical domain is & not having twenty<br />
[19:55:46] &lt;netritious&gt; in the event the team wants control of the domain I can transfer it<br />
[19:56:03] &lt;netritious&gt; after the SSL is up<br />
[19:56:13] &lt;cyberanger&gt; well, what if you get out of touch<br />
[19:56:27] &lt;netritious&gt; Genphlux is the man<br />
[19:56:48] &lt;netritious&gt; I will ask his permission to give someone here is direct contact info<br />
[19:56:59] &lt;mac9416&gt; Personally, I think we ought to follow the example of other LoCos and use a .org.<br />
[19:57:02] &lt;netritious&gt; that is in the event I die<br />
[19:57:06] &lt;cyberanger&gt; (I guess we can part it out of your godaddy account after orginal purchase too (just like I have done with netfirms)<br />
[19:57:28] &lt;cyberanger&gt; mac9416: I agree on that, there is a pattern of ubuntu-state.org<br />
[19:57:38] &lt;netritious&gt; mac9416: I can't affor to donate $10 for domain +$30 for SSL x 2 years<br />
[19:58:02] &lt;cyberanger&gt; netritious: can someone compensate you for the difference on an info vs an org<br />
[19:58:33] &lt;cyberanger&gt; .88 pence 1 yr vs 10 bucks 1yr or so<br />
[19:58:37] &lt;mac9416&gt; How much would someone have to chip in to cover a .org?<br />
[19:58:46] &lt;netritious&gt; if they send me a check, but I need cleared funds in hand before that..please do not take that personally anybody<br />
[19:59:09] &lt;wrst&gt; times are tough i understand that one netritious<br />
[19:59:13] &lt;cyberanger&gt; netritious: ok, cost is 20 bucks, for 2yr, right?<br />
[19:59:24] &lt;netritious&gt; +$60 for 2xyears SSL<br />
[19:59:41] &lt;cyberanger&gt; does the cost of ssl shift on domain<br />
[19:59:50] &lt;mac9416&gt; netritious, what benefits does SSL bring BTW?<br />
[19:59:54] &lt;cyberanger&gt; (I'm only covering the domain if we do this)<br />
[20:00:02] &lt;netritious&gt; godaddy turbossl is $29.95 per domain per year period I believe<br />
[20:00:32] &lt;netritious&gt; mac9416: encrypted logins to WP and other things<br />
[20:00:39] &lt;cyberanger&gt; ok, so you'd still cover ssl & I'll get the FQDN (via your discount)<br />
[20:00:47] &lt;mac9416&gt; netritious, OK, so it's just a good idea to do that. Sounds good.<br />
[20:00:53] &lt;netritious&gt; cyberanger: sure<br />
[20:01:05] &lt;cyberanger&gt; mac9416: we have webmin, that is the essencal bit too<br />
[20:01:06] &lt;netritious&gt; mac9416: yessir :)<br />
[20:01:22] &lt;wrst&gt; guys what if we poll he is willing/can donate some money and how much and see where we are at?<br />
[20:01:29] &lt;mac9416&gt; So payment is handled... What happens if both of y'all get run over by Mac trucks?<br />
[20:01:48] &lt;cyberanger&gt; mac9416: alter billing info & carry on<br />
[20:01:50] &lt;netritious&gt; ^^Genphlux to the rescue..<br />
[20:02:07] &lt;cyberanger&gt; ok, here's what I propose then to cover all concerns fairly<br />
[20:02:12] &lt;cyberanger&gt; if it's ok<br />
[20:02:14] &lt;mac9416&gt; cyberanger, who will have the ability to alter that info?<br />
[20:02:20] &lt;netritious&gt; I have explicit instructions on forwarding the VPS as a vmware image on DVD to wrst since I have his addy<br />
[20:02:33] &lt;cyberanger&gt; hang on<br />
[20:02:34] * mac9416 quiets down and listens... :-)<br />
[20:02:52] &lt;netritious&gt; the servers wouldn't go down if I died..i am only part of the company<br />
[20:03:15] &lt;netritious&gt; I also cleared this with my partner<br />
[20:03:28] &lt;wrst&gt; its a very lovely setup that netritious has also<br />
[20:03:42] &lt;cyberanger&gt; hang on fellas<br />
[20:03:43] &lt;netritious&gt; so it won't be a surprise that the vps is there or anything<br />
[20:03:53] &lt;netritious&gt; thanks wrst<br />
[20:04:06] &lt;cyberanger&gt; lemme get this proposal brought up & see if it covers all concerns<br />
[20:04:14] * wrst is waiting to move his sites to netritious inc :)<br />
[20:04:34] &lt;cyberanger&gt; step one, have netritious buy ubuntu-tennessee.org & ssl (with funds to be split to cover it)<br />
[20:05:32] &lt;cyberanger&gt; step two, have said domain moved into a group account with billing setup outside netritious's info (for his security)<br />
[20:05:38] &lt;cyberanger&gt; & step three<br />
[20:06:00] &lt;cyberanger&gt; give that info to select members (poc & server admins for sure)<br />
[20:06:10] &lt;netritious&gt; cool<br />
[20:06:22] &lt;mac9416&gt; Sounds good.<br />
[20:06:44] &lt;cyberanger&gt; mixture of security & redundancy long term, pleases netritious's current bulk order<br />
[20:07:17] &lt;cyberanger&gt; & avoids the issue of lock down to one guy ( or a very select few)<br />
[20:07:36] &lt;netritious&gt; DuplicateWeb<br />
[20:07:37] &lt;netritious&gt; 2136 Stateline Rd W<br />
[20:07:37] &lt;netritious&gt; Suite I as in ICE<br />
[20:07:37] &lt;netritious&gt; Southaven, MS 38671<br />
[20:07:38] &lt;cyberanger&gt; any comments<br />
[20:07:50] &lt;cyberanger&gt; ?<br />
[20:07:54] &lt;netritious&gt; ^^send donations there<br />
[20:08:11] &lt;cyberanger&gt; netritious: I was thinking paypal atm<br />
[20:08:24] * netritious doesn't use paypal<br />
[20:08:30] &lt;cyberanger&gt; but more concerned on theroy of this proposal too<br />
[20:09:17] &lt;cyberanger&gt; so how's the theroy sound, reasonable, easy to implement?<br />
[20:09:28] &lt;netritious&gt; IMHO it's making things more complex than need be<br />
[20:09:40] &lt;mac9416&gt; One comment: the folks with admin access to DN info would need to be well-trusted -- they would have the ability to change the password and point the DN to google.com or whatever.<br />
[20:09:58] &lt;cyberanger&gt; netritious: short term yes, but covers more long term, makes long term<br />
[20:10:06] &lt;netritious&gt; exactly, that is a big concern to me..man in the middle is to easy at that point<br />
[20:10:21] &lt;netritious&gt; refering to mac9416's point<br />
[20:10:58] &lt;cyberanger&gt; mac9416: we trust the current admins & vote on poc, having a seprate account long term is easy to do, seperating that from netritious's billing info<br />
[20:11:07] &lt;mac9416&gt; The question is, is that risk greater or worse than the risk of one erson disappearing.<br />
[20:11:17] &lt;cyberanger&gt; so I think trust is covered as well as abuse can be limited<br />
[20:11:28] &lt;mac9416&gt; cyberanger, I agree.<br />
[20:11:52] &lt;mac9416&gt; Just something to keep in mind when elections happen and new admins come along: we must be careful. :-)<br />
[20:12:16] &lt;netritious&gt; mac9416: at 300lbs it's hard for me to disappear ;)<br />
[20:12:23] &lt;mac9416&gt; lol<br />
[20:12:43] &lt;cyberanger&gt; so, the risk at first is in netritious's court if we have him buy, followed by admins that have a code to uphold or get booted by constituants<br />
[20:13:19] &lt;mac9416&gt; Ooh, yeah. What happens when terms end? Password changes?<br />
[20:13:31] &lt;netritious&gt; wait one more point to make...<br />
[20:13:39] &lt;mac9416&gt; And who's in charge of changing the password and distributing the new one to new PoCs?<br />
[20:13:49] &lt;cyberanger&gt; mac9416: if need be<br />
[20:14:02] &lt;cyberanger&gt; if every poc stays the same, no need<br />
[20:14:21] &lt;cyberanger&gt; if an admin changes, another admin alters info<br />
[20:14:22] &lt;mac9416&gt; But five years down the road, there may be trouble.<br />
[20:14:33] &lt;mac9416&gt; Not likely, but possible.<br />
[20:14:42] &lt;cyberanger&gt; it's tied to netritious's server, so he'll be the likely constant<br />
[20:14:57] &lt;netritious&gt; say we did this -- buy the domain, it's transferred to account 'x' that a few trusted people have access to, what if those people cannot pay for renewal? I can't autorenew a domain that is not on my account is the point<br />
[20:14:59] &lt;cyberanger&gt; & if it isn't, we have a trustee<br />
[20:15:19] &lt;netritious&gt; a trustee that's MIA which I get that's the concern here<br />
[20:15:29] &lt;cyberanger&gt; netritious: then we don't autorenew, we renew at the moment<br />
[20:15:42] &lt;cyberanger&gt; yes the current trustee is afk<br />
[20:16:27] &lt;cyberanger&gt; but it's a postion that is able to be adjusted & by spreading control, the trustee's absense is redundant long run<br />
[20:17:21] &lt;mac9416&gt; So what we're debating is do we want the efficiency of a DN monarchy, or the relative security of an oligarchy.<br />
[20:17:25] &lt;cyberanger&gt; also, if you auto renew netritious, next year we may not know we need to donate ahead of time, you wanna foot the bill in two years<br />
[20:17:55] &lt;cyberanger&gt; mac9416: monarcy isn't efficient, or this issue would be irrelvant<br />
[20:17:57] &lt;netritious&gt; cyberanger: yep if I have the money which I usually seem to have :)<br />
[20:18:12] &lt;netritious&gt; I have close to 40 DN's atm<br />
[20:18:26] &lt;cyberanger&gt; as we'd have covered this a month or two ago<br />
[20:19:00] &lt;cyberanger&gt; well, any remaining concerns (this is issue one, more to come, yikes)<br />
[20:19:08] &lt;mac9416&gt; Haha<br />
[20:19:14] &lt;netritious&gt; my part of the debate is are we making a mountain out of a mole hill<br />
[20:19:37] &lt;cyberanger&gt; (I am not trying to rush, as much as I am keeping th focus or shifting it for the topic)<br />
[20:19:45] &lt;cyberanger&gt; netritious: I don't think so<br />
[20:20:02] &lt;netritious&gt; k just being frank<br />
[20:20:03] &lt;mac9416&gt; netritious, perhaps so, but if this doesn't work, at least we will have done something. If we find it's necessary to change later, I'm sure the team will vote for the change.<br />
[20:20:30] &lt;mac9416&gt; cyberanger, I think we need a one-liner describing the multi-admin strategy.<br />
[20:20:37] &lt;cyberanger&gt; maybe adding too much reinforced concrete to a building, but the owner wants some<br />
[20:21:34] &lt;cyberanger&gt; one liner, well, after orignal purchase & exporting to domains own account<br />
[20:21:55] &lt;cyberanger&gt; poc's (as voted) & current vps admins (grandfatherd in)<br />
[20:22:04] &lt;cyberanger&gt; & the trustee<br />
[20:22:34] &lt;cyberanger&gt; passwords shuffled if need be, sent encrypted (isn't gpg great) to each admin<br />
[20:22:48] &lt;mac9416&gt; GPG rocks. :-D<br />
[20:23:10] &lt;cyberanger&gt; billing (after inital purchase) will be via one time online card<br />
[20:23:42] &lt;cyberanger&gt; (paypal or real gift visa card, something)<br />
[20:23:53] &lt;mac9416&gt; netritious, would you work with the multi-admin strategy? cyberanger has offered $20 for the DN... I assume that would need to get to you before we go on with getting the DN set up?<br />
[20:24:58] &lt;netritious&gt; I'm indifferent..at this point ti would be easier to just set it up like cyberanger is saying from the beginning instead of me buying from godadyd in the first palce, correct?<br />
[20:25:14] &lt;netritious&gt; sry..type with one hands<br />
[20:25:27] &lt;cyberanger&gt; netritious: after purchase exporting should be painless<br />
[20:25:48] &lt;cyberanger&gt; I've done it recently with netfirms & further back with godaddy<br />
[20:26:11] &lt;netritious&gt; I have transferred domains and you are making to light of the process lol<br />
[20:26:24] &lt;cyberanger&gt; it's still in godaddy's hands so they port setting purdant to that domains<br />
[20:26:29] &lt;netritious&gt; I say set it up with whoever you are going to use..<br />
[20:26:39] &lt;netritious&gt; I can buy SSL for any domain even if it is not in my control<br />
[20:26:50] &lt;cyberanger&gt; I'm not saying transfer, I'm saying account export<br />
[20:27:35] &lt;cyberanger&gt; ok, well sounds like theroy is here & acceptable, I'll setup the domain (under said framework) & netritious will handle ssl<br />
[20:27:42] &lt;cyberanger&gt; & his bulk purchase<br />
[20:28:00] &lt;cyberanger&gt; unless he wants to handle our domain too<br />
[20:28:03] &lt;netritious&gt; sounds like a winner<br />
[20:28:13] &lt;mac9416&gt; And then we can forget about DNs for two years. :-P<br />
[20:28:55] &lt;cyberanger&gt; & apply the framework (which is easier than a transfer, as long as the domain host stays current<br />
[20:29:30] &lt;cyberanger&gt; ok, so how about this, vote on the admin framework with ubuntu-tennessee.org first<br />
[20:29:39] &lt;netritious&gt; cyberanger: feel free to go ahead and create the new account and acquire the DN is fine with me...anyone else?<br />
[20:30:04] &lt;mac9416&gt; cyberanger, sounds good.<br />
[20:30:09] &lt;cyberanger&gt; then come back to the actual ssl & domain issue<br />
[20:30:13] &lt;cyberanger&gt; oh even better<br />
[20:30:23] &lt;cyberanger&gt; step one vote...<br />
[20:31:43] &lt;cyberanger&gt; [vote] apply proposed framework (which I'll write up on the wiki (with help if needed) based on this meeting's logs) & purchase ubuntu-tennessee.org for group use<br />
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[20:31:46] &lt;cyberanger&gt; +1<br />
[20:32:02] &lt;mac9416&gt; +1<br />
[20:32:02] &lt;netritious&gt; +1<br />
[20:32:04] &lt;wrst&gt; +1<br />
[20:32:05] &lt;ppb1701&gt; +1<br />
[20:32:27] &lt;cyberanger&gt; going<br />
[20:32:32] &lt;cyberanger&gt; going<br />
[20:32:36] &lt;cyberanger&gt; &...................<br />
[20:32:37] &lt;cyberanger&gt; ...<br />
[20:32:41] &lt;cyberanger&gt; gone<br />
[20:32:47] &lt;cyberanger&gt; [endvote]<br />
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[20:32:51] &lt;cyberanger&gt; vote two<br />
[20:34:51] &lt;cyberanger&gt; [vote] have myself ( cyberanger ) buy the domain, to be handed off to group control & have netritious handle ssl, have the current poc's & trustee & server admins (currently wrst & netritious) considered current admins<br />
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[20:35:00] &lt;cyberanger&gt; [endvote}<br />
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[20:35:06] &lt;cyberanger&gt; error in that<br />
[20:35:13] &lt;cyberanger&gt; or at least the logic<br />
[20:35:24] &lt;cyberanger&gt; if I'm not counted, I can't but it<br />
[20:35:47] &lt;cyberanger&gt; (unless a password change happens, which is fine)<br />
[20:35:55] &lt;netritious&gt; -1<br />
[20:36:00] &lt;netritious&gt; should not be PoC;s<br />
[20:36:12] &lt;cyberanger&gt; netritious: why not?<br />
[20:36:16] &lt;netritious&gt; server admins and trustee<br />
[20:36:30] &lt;netritious&gt; because POC's change a lot<br />
[20:36:31] &lt;cyberanger&gt; ps, I eneded vote as I saw a hiccup<br />
[20:36:43] &lt;netritious&gt; ah I see now :)<br />
[20:37:01] &lt;mac9416&gt; netritious, is w4ett the trustee?<br />
[20:37:06] &lt;cyberanger&gt; netritious: so server admins & trustee, plus "framework admins"<br />
[20:37:07] &lt;netritious&gt; yes<br />
[20:37:09] &lt;cyberanger&gt; mac9416: atm<br />
[20:37:14] &lt;mac9416&gt; netritious, I think he has a one-year term like the PoCs.<br />
[20:37:18] &lt;netritious&gt; what is a 'framework admin'<br />
[20:37:22] &lt;cyberanger&gt; that can change same as poc's<br />
[20:37:52] &lt;cyberanger&gt; anyone authorised in a group vote to handle the framework we just voted on<br />
[20:37:56] &lt;mac9416&gt; Yeah, trustee changes every year about the same time as PoCs. Reelection happens in a few months actually.<br />
[20:38:02] &lt;cyberanger&gt; no we are voting on the admins<br />
[20:38:17] &lt;cyberanger&gt; (nominated is trustee & server admins)<br />
[20:38:37] &lt;cyberanger&gt; (plus anyone the current group wishes to nominate)<br />
[20:39:13] &lt;cyberanger&gt; however, I think the poc's are supposed to have admin rights to trustee resources the way it's currently voted in<br />
[20:39:36] &lt;cyberanger&gt; does that clear up what I mean by "framework admin"<br />
[20:39:58] &lt;cyberanger&gt; & who that should apply to?<br />
[20:40:04] &lt;netritious&gt; hey guys I got to put my daughter to bed..it's past her bedtime (just noticed the time)<br />
[20:40:29] &lt;mac9416&gt; netritious, kk, I think we can wait.<br />
[20:40:48] &lt;cyberanger&gt; ok netritious (we got a big agenda too, this is one of thos meetings I metioned about ppb1701 :-))<br />
[20:40:49] &lt;netritious&gt; cool..brb<br />
[20:40:57] &lt;mac9416&gt; cyberanger, you + cyberanger + w4ett + trustee + regional PoCs (?) = frameworks admins?<br />
[20:41:03] &lt;mac9416&gt; Bah<br />
[20:41:04] &lt;ppb1701&gt; :)<br />
[20:41:11] &lt;mac9416&gt; Minus the "you +"<br />
[20:41:17] &lt;mac9416&gt; Reundant redundancy.<br />
[20:42:11] &lt;cyberanger&gt; well, netritious seems to disagree on PoC's (I see the logic, but they are consistantly announcing their status, whearas the trustee I have no clue on what is actually current)<br />
[20:42:45] &lt;mac9416&gt; Yeah. I see the logic too...<br />
[20:42:47] &lt;netritious&gt; back<br />
[20:42:54] &lt;netritious&gt; lemme catch up...<br />
[20:42:58] &lt;mac9416&gt; But they're all reelected annually.<br />
[20:43:34] &lt;netritious&gt; the server admins and trustee will probably be the least changing posistions<br />
[20:43:42] &lt;netritious&gt; that is three people<br />
[20:43:53] &lt;netritious&gt; in our particular scenario we have wrst..<br />
[20:43:57] &lt;netritious&gt; who is always here<br />
[20:43:59] &lt;netritious&gt; me..<br />
[20:44:05] * wrst just woke up ...<br />
[20:44:10] &lt;cyberanger&gt; I think that since we got a poc change to bring up in a moment too, that may want to vote on wrst & netritious atm (current server admins) & trustee may need to change<br />
[20:44:14] &lt;netritious&gt; who is usually here but the server is always up ;)<br />
[20:44:19] &lt;netritious&gt; and w4ett..<br />
[20:44:21] &lt;mac9416&gt; netritious, three seems like plenty. I can go along with that.<br />
[20:44:25] &lt;netritious&gt; who has been MIA for a bit<br />
[20:44:41] &lt;cyberanger&gt; but poc's are consistant in west & middle & announced resignation in east<br />
[20:45:16] &lt;mac9416&gt; cyberanger, binarymutant resigned?<br />
[20:45:24] &lt;cyberanger&gt; & possibly myself (if I'm buying round one of the domain, I've got acces till I hand it off)<br />
[20:46:02] &lt;netritious&gt; so basically what I am saying is not to appoint DN trust based on posistion...<br />
[20:46:08] &lt;cyberanger&gt; well binarymutant was voted down, with baytes getting the active title, then we heard to binarymutant kinda stepping back<br />
[20:46:38] &lt;cyberanger&gt; & baytes resigned between decembers meeting & this one<br />
[20:46:48] &lt;netritious&gt; but rather delegate to those that are trusted by the entire team<br />
[20:46:55] &lt;mac9416&gt; netritious, you don't think at least the trustee should have admin access?<br />
[20:47:02] &lt;netritious&gt; sure he should<br />
[20:47:03] &lt;cyberanger&gt; netritious: I follow, but we need to define terms then to some extent<br />
[20:47:16] &lt;mac9416&gt; netritious, k, just wanted to get that straight. :-)<br />
[20:47:18] &lt;netritious&gt; I tried to send it to him but was bounced back from comcast<br />
[20:47:47] &lt;mac9416&gt; netritious, well, there's an election coming up, so trustee won't equal w4ett for much longer.<br />
[20:47:57] &lt;mac9416&gt; Unless he shows up in time to be reelected.<br />
[20:48:11] &lt;netritious&gt; I haven't seen or heard form w4ett it seems in a longer time than it has been<br />
[20:48:20] &lt;netritious&gt; but we've recently needed him lol<br />
[20:48:23] &lt;cyberanger&gt; my issue is who we reach, idk I can see trustee cycling out on terms & static people to be re-negoatiated later<br />
[20:48:25] &lt;netritious&gt; for this silly DN issue<br />
[20:49:22] &lt;netritious&gt; I say silly b/c it would just take him to appear in a meeting to resolve<br />
[20:49:26] &lt;mac9416&gt; cyberanger, re-negotiations sound good. If there's ever a problem, the team can vote for a change in admin access.<br />
[20:49:30] &lt;netritious&gt; not b/c I think the DN is unimportant<br />
[20:49:36] &lt;netritious&gt; just wanted to clear that up<br />
[20:49:51] &lt;mac9416&gt; netritious, :-)<br />
[20:50:21] &lt;cyberanger&gt; ok, so lemme get this down for a vote, trustee by title, wrst & netritious (as they have server access anyhow) current poc's (not linked by title but by name (which is pace & ericg)) until  a later vote<br />
[20:50:50] &lt;cyberanger&gt; since they are consistant for their term I think that can be reasonable?<br />
[20:50:52] &lt;netritious&gt; I think we should have two votes...<br />
[20:51:08] &lt;netritious&gt; trustee and current server admins, and then one for POCs<br />
[20:51:09] &lt;cyberanger&gt; we have two atm, finished one<br />
[20:51:16] &lt;cyberanger&gt; ok, I like<br />
[20:51:18] &lt;netritious&gt; we did?<br />
[20:51:43] &lt;cyberanger&gt; yep, one for the framework itself & buying a dn & ssl<br />
[20:51:57] &lt;mac9416&gt; netritious, I like that.<br />
[20:52:01] &lt;cyberanger&gt; but not who the admin framework strictly applied<br />
[20:52:04] &lt;netritious&gt; ah..i mean two more votes then :)<br />
[20:52:16] &lt;cyberanger&gt; ok, I like<br />
[20:52:18] &lt;netritious&gt; two additional votes<br />
[20:52:36] &lt;cyberanger&gt; counter proposal, for the sake of though here<br />
[20:53:06] &lt;cyberanger&gt; vote for a term of review (linked to poc & trustee terms) & then<br />
[20:53:29] &lt;cyberanger&gt; wrst netritious ericG & pace by name & trustee by title<br />
[20:53:32] &lt;netritious&gt; I think we need to stick to the agenda..it's already 9pm and I need to go to the shop<br />
[20:53:54] &lt;cyberanger&gt; since the shakeyness is east tn (currently vacent seat<br />
[20:53:57] &lt;cyberanger&gt; )<br />
[20:53:59] &lt;cyberanger&gt; ok<br />
[20:54:04] &lt;cyberanger&gt; fair enough<br />
[20:54:41] &lt;netritious&gt; I think we should have two additonal votes...<br />
[20:54:52] &lt;cyberanger&gt; would my name throw things off (If I buy the domain, I can lose control easy enough & that's fine, I don't mind)<br />
[20:55:11] &lt;netritious&gt; one for trustee and current server admins framework access, and then one for POCs framework access<br />
[20:55:16] &lt;cyberanger&gt; if it would, I will go by netritious's proposed vote by the letter<br />
[20:55:35] &lt;mac9416&gt; cyberanger, you + trustee + cyberanger + wrst. I say vote.<br />
[20:55:44] &lt;mac9416&gt; Bah<br />
[20:55:49] &lt;cyberanger&gt; ok<br />
[20:55:50] &lt;mac9416&gt; Replace cyberanger with netritious . :-P<br />
[20:55:56] &lt;netritious&gt; hahaha<br />
[20:56:09] &lt;mac9416&gt; Hurray for autocomplete. :-P<br />
[20:56:20] &lt;mac9416&gt; Get moving to fast.<br />
[20:56:31] &lt;cyberanger&gt; going by netritious's proposal letter by letter then with me handing over control after purchase<br />
[20:56:37] &lt;cyberanger&gt; typing up vote now<br />
[20:57:30] &lt;netritious&gt; cyberanger: you will have access at least up until purchase...and based on the next two votes it will determine whether you will have access after the transfer<br />
[20:57:46] &lt;netritious&gt; if you are a POC, trustee or server admin<br />
[20:57:57] &lt;cyberanger&gt; netritious: I'm not a poc trustee or server admin<br />
[20:58:08] &lt;cyberanger&gt; I'd be a dns admin at time of purchase<br />
[20:58:46] &lt;cyberanger&gt; & am am a linkedin mod. & irc op, but until tonights poc vote (or skip that) that's all I am for sure<br />
[21:00:16] &lt;cyberanger&gt; [idea] vote one of two: add netritious wrst  (current server admins) & trustee (by title) to the "framework admins" (which is the domain admins) until next term election for trustee & regoinal poc's at which point the vote will be up for review<br />
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[21:00:21] &lt;cyberanger&gt; sound right ^<br />
[21:00:39] &lt;cyberanger&gt; if so, here goes the vote...<br />
[21:00:44] &lt;netritious&gt; sounds good to me<br />
[21:00:49] &lt;netritious&gt; +1<br />
[21:00:51] &lt;mac9416&gt; I like it.<br />
[21:00:54] &lt;cyberanger&gt; (just making sure language is clear)<br />
[21:01:03] &lt;netritious&gt; oh it was an idea<br />
[21:01:09] &lt;cyberanger&gt; yes<br />
[21:01:25] &lt;cyberanger&gt; to be clear that language of the vote was ok<br />
[21:01:34] &lt;cyberanger&gt; before I actually called the vote<br />
[21:01:41] &lt;netritious&gt; yes it's fine to me<br />
[21:02:14] &lt;cyberanger&gt; we'll worry about handover in another vote<br />
[21:02:19] &lt;cyberanger&gt; ok<br />
[21:02:30] &lt;cyberanger&gt; [vote] vote one of two: add netritious wrst  (current server admins) & trustee (by title) to the "framework admins" (which is the domain admins) until next term election for trustee & regoinal poc's at which point the vote will be up for review<br />
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[21:02:34] &lt;cyberanger&gt; +1<br />
[21:02:42] &lt;mac9416&gt; +1<br />
[21:02:52] &lt;netritious&gt; +1<br />
[21:02:55] &lt;ppb1701&gt; +1<br />
[21:02:55] &lt;wrst&gt; +1<br />
[21:03:14] &lt;cyberanger&gt; total count is 5, same as other votes<br />
[21:03:17] &lt;cyberanger&gt; ok<br />
[21:03:29] &lt;cyberanger&gt; vote two of two<br />
[21:03:30] &lt;cyberanger&gt; then<br />
[21:03:40] &lt;cyberanger&gt; [vote] add current po'<br />
[21:03:43] &lt;cyberanger&gt; error<br />
[21:03:46] &lt;mac9416&gt; Endvote BTW :-)<br />
[21:03:48] &lt;cyberanger&gt; [endvote]<br />
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[21:04:00] &lt;cyberanger&gt; opps<br />
[21:04:48] &lt;cyberanger&gt; [vote] add current poc's (atm that's pace for middle & ericG for west, with east vacent till a vote in this meeting or a later meeting)<br />
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[21:05:01] &lt;cyberanger&gt; language ok?<br />
[21:05:08] &lt;netritious&gt; to vague<br />
[21:05:23] &lt;cyberanger&gt; howso? what would clarify it?<br />
[21:05:28] &lt;netritious&gt; add poc's to what?<br />
[21:05:28] &lt;cyberanger&gt; [endvote]<br />
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[21:05:37] &lt;cyberanger&gt; oh, woah<br />
[21:05:41] &lt;cyberanger&gt; indeed vauge<br />
[21:05:47] &lt;cyberanger&gt; only flaw?<br />
[21:05:58] &lt;mac9416&gt; cyberanger, would baytes be considered a regional PoC?<br />
[21:06:13] &lt;mac9416&gt; He has been elected to finish binary's term.<br />
[21:06:14] &lt;cyberanger&gt; he resigned,<br />
[21:06:20] &lt;cyberanger&gt; in irc<br />
[21:06:22] &lt;mac9416&gt; baytes did? Wow.<br />
[21:06:38] &lt;cyberanger&gt; I wish he mailing listed that + his reasons<br />
[21:06:41] &lt;mac9416&gt; OK, I need to change that on the site too then.<br />
[21:06:46] &lt;cyberanger&gt; he got layed off<br />
[21:06:47] &lt;mac9416&gt; Yeah, that would have been nice.<br />
[21:06:58] &lt;cyberanger&gt; & was concerned on isp charges<br />
[21:07:07] &lt;netritious&gt; cyberanger: that apppears to be the only flaw<br />
[21:07:09] &lt;mac9416&gt; Alright, then I have no other concerns about the vote. :-)<br />
[21:07:49] &lt;cyberanger&gt; asked if I'd take over, I said I would until an offical election could be held (to the best of my abilites by working with current poc's<br />
[21:07:58] &lt;cyberanger&gt; ok, back to this vote<br />
[21:08:02] &lt;cyberanger&gt; then<br />
[21:08:38] &lt;cyberanger&gt; [vote] add current poc's to the "framework" admins (dn admins) (atm that's pace for middle & ericG for west, with east vacent till a vote in this meeting or a later meeting)<br />
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[21:08:41] &lt;cyberanger&gt; +1<br />
[21:08:56] &lt;netritious&gt; +1<br />
[21:08:58] &lt;mac9416&gt; +1<br />
[21:09:04] &lt;ppb1701&gt; +1<br />
[21:09:08] &lt;netritious&gt; wrst: ping<br />
[21:09:12] &lt;wrst&gt; hey<br />
[21:09:17] &lt;wrst&gt; how do i need to vote?<br />
[21:09:22] &lt;wrst&gt; netritious: ? :)<br />
[21:09:26] &lt;netritious&gt; plus one :)<br />
[21:09:30] &lt;wrst&gt; +1<br />
[21:09:30] &lt;mac9416&gt; wrst, +1 :-P<br />
[21:09:38] &lt;wrst&gt; ha ha<br />
[21:09:41] &lt;wrst&gt; thanks netritious ;)<br />
[21:09:58] &lt;mac9416&gt; wrst, good choice. :-)<br />
[21:10:08] &lt;netritious&gt; wait<br />
[21:10:13] &lt;netritious&gt; can I change my vote<br />
[21:10:25] &lt;netritious&gt; j/k<br />
[21:10:26] &lt;mac9416&gt; netritious, try it.<br />
[21:10:33] &lt;mac9416&gt; Bah<br />
[21:10:34] &lt;netritious&gt; -1<br />
[21:10:37] &lt;cyberanger&gt; ok, there maybe an issue of people voting on themselves int eh first vote<br />
[21:10:51] &lt;mac9416&gt; netritious, bah, they should make that possible.<br />
[21:10:59] &lt;cyberanger&gt; too, but I'll worry about that if and/or when that happens<br />
[21:11:03] &lt;netritious&gt; mac9416: yeah mootbot complained<br />
[21:11:26] &lt;cyberanger&gt; so are we at 4 for & 1 aganst ( MootBot's issues aside)<br />
[21:11:26] &lt;mac9416&gt; MootBot, you sould be more flexible.<br />
[21:11:31] &lt;netritious&gt; wrst can you proxy my vote for me?<br />
[21:11:36] &lt;cyberanger&gt; & if so, why<br />
[21:11:37] &lt;mac9416&gt; cyberanger, he was joking I think. :-P<br />
[21:11:51] &lt;cyberanger&gt; netritious: if the issue is clear, we can nullify a vote<br />
[21:11:52] &lt;netritious&gt; not joking<br />
[21:11:59] &lt;mac9416&gt; netritious, ah OK.<br />
[21:12:03] &lt;netritious&gt; -1 for POCs<br />
[21:12:08] &lt;cyberanger&gt; what's the issue,<br />
[21:12:15] &lt;cyberanger&gt; oh, your just not for it<br />
[21:12:17] &lt;cyberanger&gt; ok<br />
[21:12:24] &lt;netritious&gt; correct<br />
[21:12:34] &lt;mac9416&gt; Did MootBot not accept it?<br />
[21:12:44] &lt;netritious&gt; no<br />
[21:12:49] * mac9416 kicks MootBot for being inflexible.<br />
[21:13:02] &lt;cyberanger&gt; uh well, MootBot has you for it, it would not alter the vote's results 4 for 1 aganst if we did<br />
[21:13:25] &lt;wrst&gt; netritious: you need me?<br />
[21:13:34] &lt;wrst&gt; sorry i'm updating a vista machine<br />
[21:13:42] &lt;netritious&gt; np<br />
[21:14:10] &lt;cyberanger&gt; netritious: since the vote's results would not shift, will you tolerate me closing vote & moving on<br />
[21:14:11] &lt;mac9416&gt; So, what do we need to do to get the vote right?<br />
[21:14:17] &lt;cyberanger&gt; or do I need to nullify it<br />
[21:14:41] &lt;cyberanger&gt; mac9416: it sorta is, approve vs disapprove won't change<br />
[21:14:53] &lt;cyberanger&gt; so the only issue is this vote legit<br />
[21:14:55] &lt;mac9416&gt; cyberanger, very true.<br />
[21:15:07] &lt;cyberanger&gt; & that means asking netritious ...<br />
[21:15:13] &lt;netritious&gt; it would have been 2 against 3 for anyhow<br />
[21:15:27] &lt;cyberanger&gt; two aganst, who else?<br />
[21:15:33] &lt;netritious&gt; and majority not consensus rules, correct?<br />
[21:15:37] &lt;cyberanger&gt; I got 5 for by mootbot<br />
[21:15:41] &lt;cyberanger&gt; yep<br />
[21:15:46] &lt;netritious&gt; oh I think wrst would have voted -1 maybe :)<br />
[21:16:04] &lt;cyberanger&gt; nope, he +1'd & hasn't complained<br />
[21:16:05] &lt;cyberanger&gt; ok<br />
[21:16:06] * wrst is needing to start paying attention :) but doesn't matter either way<br />
[21:16:16] &lt;netritious&gt; but it's a moot point...get it? moot point :)<br />
[21:16:21] &lt;cyberanger&gt; wrst: so you see your vote as legit<br />
[21:16:22] &lt;mac9416&gt; lol<br />
[21:16:30] &lt;cyberanger&gt; as long as it's legit, it's moot<br />
[21:16:35] &lt;cyberanger&gt; thus why I ask<br />
[21:16:42] &lt;mac9416&gt; 0_o<br />
[21:16:43] &lt;wrst&gt; yeah that's fine doesn't really matter<br />
[21:16:53] &lt;cyberanger&gt; everyone sees it as a legit vote<br />
[21:16:55] &lt;netritious&gt; let's move forward<br />
[21:16:55] &lt;cyberanger&gt; so ok<br />
[21:17:00] &lt;cyberanger&gt; [endvote]<br />
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[21:17:05] &lt;wrst&gt; yeah its close to bedtime :)<br />
[21:17:22] &lt;cyberanger&gt; I will hold off on my handoff issue<br />
[21:17:43] &lt;cyberanger&gt; since it's got a work around & move on<br />
[21:17:44] &lt;cyberanger&gt; ok<br />
[21:17:49] &lt;cyberanger&gt; just a sec<br />
[21:18:16] &lt;cyberanger&gt; [topic]Discuss the possibility of reaching out to other local LUG's to increase our member base.<br />
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[21:18:44] &lt;cyberanger&gt; can be skipped (& I think is should, member base & lack of poc's & all<br />
[21:19:06] * netritious wishes mootbot understood [announcement]<br />
[21:19:10] &lt;cyberanger&gt; since any member can work with both anyhow & wear two nametags)<br />
[21:19:12] &lt;mac9416&gt; +1 for pushing to next meeting agenda then?<br />
[21:19:16] &lt;netritious&gt; b/c I have one along those lines<br />
[21:19:17] &lt;cyberanger&gt; ok<br />
[21:19:58] &lt;cyberanger&gt; anyone wish to discuess this has until I alter topic again (which will take a sec.) so speak up or wait a month<br />
[21:20:00] &lt;netritious&gt; I have given it a lot of thought and am looking into starting a new lug for Mid-South general area<br />
[21:20:22] &lt;cyberanger&gt; [topic] Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx) launches April 29, 2010<br />
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[21:21:07] &lt;mac9416&gt; Yeah!!<br />
[21:21:27] &lt;netritious&gt; I want it to be somehow associated with locotn<br />
[21:21:35] &lt;cyberanger&gt; great, lucid's release date is announced east tn has no offical poc to setup a release party & only ericG & myself showed (as far as I know the nlug guys were not also loco guys)<br />
[21:21:54] &lt;cyberanger&gt; so anyone have a reason to stay with this topic?<br />
[21:22:27] &lt;netritious&gt; well I'm hoping that we can have a release party here<br />
[21:22:42] * wrst is feeling guilty attending meeting while working on vista<br />
[21:22:43] &lt;netritious&gt; I give eric a ring tomorrow and ask him what's up<br />
[21:22:45] &lt;cyberanger&gt; I do too, but no car for a long trip<br />
[21:23:02] &lt;cyberanger&gt; so I'm aganst statewide based on that & turnout<br />
[21:23:06] &lt;netritious&gt; yep<br />
[21:23:28] &lt;netritious&gt; I wouldn't be able to commit to anything statewide if it wasn't hosted here, and they are usually not hosted here :)<br />
[21:23:48] &lt;netritious&gt; so a release party sounds great<br />
[21:23:53] &lt;cyberanger&gt; [idea] annoy regional poc's to setup a few release parties (possibly alongside lug's)<br />
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[21:24:00] &lt;cyberanger&gt; edit that<br />
[21:24:04] &lt;netritious&gt; he he<br />
[21:24:19] &lt;netritious&gt; k, 6 more minutes then I have to get<br />
[21:24:29] &lt;cyberanger&gt; [idea] contactg regional poc's to express intrest in setting up a few release parties (possibly alongside lug's) across the state<br />
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[21:24:36] &lt;mac9416&gt; +1<br />
[21:24:37] &lt;cyberanger&gt; ok, lets move on them<br />
[21:25:01] &lt;cyberanger&gt; rewrite that for next month & work outside meetings on that too<br />
[21:25:05] &lt;cyberanger&gt; next is...<br />
[21:25:42] &lt;cyberanger&gt; Discuss creating some Ubuntu Hour Events & Regional Meetings for the near future. (which I will hold off, since that can be done outside of locos too)<br />
[21:25:53] &lt;cyberanger&gt; ok one big one<br />
[21:26:36] &lt;cyberanger&gt; [topic] east poc situation, baytes resigned & binarymutant took a step back<br />
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[21:26:48] &lt;netritious&gt; I'm going to ask my partner if I can host those at the shop after hours<br />
[21:26:58] &lt;netritious&gt; since I'm most likely to be there then<br />
[21:27:05] &lt;cyberanger&gt; [topic] east poc situation, baytes resigned & binarymutant took a step back so we need another active east tn poc<br />
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[21:27:28] &lt;wrst&gt; sorry guys gotta go catch everyone later<br />
[21:27:34] &lt;cyberanger&gt; netritious: cool, so memphis & chattanooga got some ideas going<br />
[21:27:35] &lt;mac9416&gt; cya, wrst<br />
[21:27:36] &lt;ppb1701&gt; cya<br />
[21:27:42] &lt;cyberanger&gt; wrst: can you afford a moment<br />
[21:27:42] &lt;netritious&gt; cya wrst<br />
[21:27:49] &lt;cyberanger&gt; just to verify something<br />
[21:27:51] &lt;wrst&gt; ok un momento<br />
[21:27:56] &lt;wrst&gt; cyberanger:  just for you :P<br />
[21:28:13] &lt;cyberanger&gt; since you also heard the conversation of baytes in real time<br />
[21:28:29] &lt;cyberanger&gt; you take that to be a hand over in power & resignation too<br />
[21:28:33] &lt;cyberanger&gt; correct?<br />
[21:28:37] &lt;wrst&gt; oh yeah i can hang around for this one<br />
[21:28:42] &lt;cyberanger&gt; or would you word it differently<br />
[21:28:46] &lt;wrst&gt; yeah i think so not to mention he's not here<br />
[21:28:57] &lt;wrst&gt; cyberanger:  want to copy paste the conversation?<br />
[21:29:03] &lt;cyberanger&gt; well, that's why I'm playing it carefully<br />
[21:29:09] &lt;cyberanger&gt; since isp is the reason<br />
[21:29:47] &lt;cyberanger&gt; <baytes|lappy> cyberanger, whats up, hey need a favor bro. can you take over as poc like we discussed beofre? i lost my job end of last week and going to be loosing my internet connection before too long too so im not sure how active i'll be able to be due to no internet<br />
[21:29:50] &lt;mac9416&gt; somebody's knockin' at the door.<br />
[21:29:51] &lt;cyberanger&gt; <wrst> baytes|lappy: hate to hear that<br />
[21:29:53] &lt;cyberanger&gt; <baytes|lappy> wrst, ahh it happens. what can ya do. i got a couple of interviews setup for thurs but not counting on them 100% so i just wanna have things already in place here incase i can't keep my net<br />
[21:29:57] &lt;cyberanger&gt; <wrst> hope it doesn't come to that all of us that are employed right now are lucky to be<br />
[21:30:00] &lt;cyberanger&gt; <cyberanger> baytes|lappy: sorry was afk (more of multitasking really, but not all my focus is on here) gimme a sec to read here<br />
[21:30:03] &lt;cyberanger&gt; <baytes|lappy> i was only at this place for a few months. the guy didn't have the money to hire me when he did. but he needed the help. so he made promises he couldn't keep and my pay was never right. before that i was layed off from my "career" job for 13 months so hopefully i'll land one of these jobs thurs if not unemployment here i come lol<br />
[21:30:07] &lt;wrst&gt; mac9416:  that's not somebody thats linuxman410<br />
[21:30:08] &lt;cyberanger&gt; <baytes|lappy> cyberanger, no worries<br />
[21:30:11] &lt;cyberanger&gt; <cyberanger> well, bad news indeed<br />
[21:30:13] &lt;cyberanger&gt; <baytes|lappy> cyberanger, yea could be better. lol<br />
[21:30:16] &lt;cyberanger&gt; ...<br />
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[21:30:18] &lt;cyberanger&gt; http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/free/2010/01/12/%23ubuntu-us-tn.html<br />
[21:30:24] &lt;mac9416&gt; wrst, I know, just making a funny. :-P<br />
[21:30:38] &lt;linuxman410&gt; yeah it is me<br />
[21:30:42] * wrst was attempting to also <br />
[21:30:48] &lt;cyberanger&gt; I didn't want to do a cut & paste, so that I hope isn't missing a critical detail<br />
[21:30:50] * wrst needs to quit trying to be funny<br />
[21:31:02] &lt;netritious&gt; lol<br />
[21:31:11] &lt;cyberanger&gt; linuxman410: your late, fasionalbly late, glad your here for a meeting<br />
[21:31:15] &lt;wrst&gt; here's the log if anyone wants to look: http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/free/2010/01/12/%23ubuntu-us-tn.html<br />
[21:31:16] &lt;mac9416&gt; Haha<br />
[21:31:24] &lt;wrst&gt; ohh<br />
[21:31:30] * wrst is way behind on links<br />
[21:31:30] &lt;cyberanger&gt; wrst: I beat you to that punch<br />
[21:31:39] &lt;linuxman410&gt; meeting still going<br />
[21:31:47] &lt;netritious&gt; linuxman410: yes<br />
[21:31:53] &lt;linuxman410&gt; wow<br />
[21:32:00] &lt;netritious&gt; and I've got to go...cya guys<br />
[21:32:05] &lt;cyberanger&gt; I had it open prior to the meeting, didn't add it to agenda's wiki page in hopes baytes would make it & say in person<br />
[21:32:09] &lt;mac9416&gt; netritious, cya<br />
[21:32:09] &lt;cyberanger&gt; see ya netritious<br />
[21:32:17] &lt;wrst&gt; later netritious<br />
[21:32:23] &lt;ppb1701&gt; cya<br />
[21:32:56] &lt;cyberanger&gt; I was trying to get concensus on this issue from everyone if he wasn't & figure how to logically proceed<br />
[21:33:01] &lt;netritious&gt; and ladies if there are some here...don't want to offend :<br />
[21:33:56] &lt;cyberanger&gt; wrst: so, under his words as logged & since you were online then & now, active in the topic, what's your take<br />
[21:34:02] &lt;mac9416&gt; netritious, I think maybe ChanServ, but she never says anything. :-P<br />
[21:34:24] &lt;cyberanger&gt; he resigned, aske for me to fill in but have him keep the role?<br />
[21:34:41] &lt;wrst&gt; yeah sounded that way to me... thats what he said ;)<br />
[21:35:02] &lt;cyberanger&gt; do we need a vote (sounds like he nominated me in abstenia too)<br />
[21:35:41] &lt;cyberanger&gt; wrst: sounded like what (I want it spelled out, just to cover my ....processer)<br />
[21:36:00] &lt;cyberanger&gt; & also to be sure words are not twisted<br />
[21:36:04] &lt;mac9416&gt; cyberanger, to have you fill the position in Baytes' absence in binarymutant's absense?<br />
[21:36:12] &lt;wrst&gt; sounds like hes out as poc and wnated you to fll the roll<br />
[21:36:27] &lt;wrst&gt; cyberanger:  sounds like you need to do it because you aren't absent ;)<br />
[21:37:17] &lt;cyberanger&gt; mac9416: we created a title for baytes, a temp one till binarymutant either came back, stepped down, or an election came up<br />
[21:37:47] &lt;mac9416&gt; cyberanger, OK, and we need to vote for you to fill his position until either of the two are able to take back over?<br />
[21:37:50] &lt;cyberanger&gt; he commented on it more recently, in goot spirit but it did not come across as a resignation either<br />
[21:37:58] &lt;cyberanger&gt; nope<br />
[21:38:24] &lt;cyberanger&gt; baytes did resign, based on that log & wrst's intreptation of it<br />
[21:38:45] &lt;mac9416&gt; k<br />
[21:38:57] &lt;cyberanger&gt; so we need that filled til only binarymutant returns or resigns (or next term's election)<br />
[21:39:05] &lt;wrst&gt; so this means you would be the temp for the temp for the absent one?<br />
[21:39:07] &lt;mac9416&gt; In August.<br />
[21:39:12] &lt;cyberanger&gt; & we have a few eastern guys<br />
[21:39:23] &lt;mac9416&gt; wrst, no, looks like Baytes is done.<br />
[21:39:40] &lt;cyberanger&gt; well, I think it's aug. but we matched that title to the other terms too<br />
[21:39:41] &lt;mac9416&gt; wrst, so this is for someone to fill Baytes' old role.<br />
[21:39:45] &lt;wrst&gt; ok gotcha... yeah :\  I need sleep i'm making no sense<br />
[21:40:00] &lt;cyberanger&gt; so whenever pace & ericG & w4ett's terms would end<br />
[21:40:21] &lt;cyberanger&gt; so would mine (if not sooner) & binarymutants (if not sooner)<br />
[21:41:20] &lt;mac9416&gt; cyberanger, so we need to vote to have a vote on a new temporary PoC to serve in binarymutant's absence?<br />
[21:41:32] &lt;cyberanger&gt; ok, so, I'm nominated by baytes via that log (I suppose, one more reason to have wrst's intruptation here too, he's middle & (hopefully) impartital too)<br />
[21:41:35] &lt;cyberanger&gt; yes<br />
[21:41:45] * wrst is sleepy<br />
[21:41:55] * wrst is partially impartial<br />
[21:42:05] &lt;mac9416&gt; lol<br />
[21:42:05] &lt;cyberanger&gt; the title we invented for baytes is ACTIVE east tn poc<br />
[21:42:07] &lt;ppb1701&gt; heh<br />
[21:42:19] &lt;cyberanger&gt; I'm not altering how we defined it then<br />
[21:42:22] &lt;cyberanger&gt; so...<br />
[21:42:42] &lt;cyberanger&gt; anyone nominate themselves or anyone else (east tn only)<br />
[21:42:53] &lt;mac9416&gt; cyberanger, we need to vote to vote first, no?<br />
[21:43:01] &lt;cyberanger&gt; I think not<br />
[21:43:07] &lt;mac9416&gt; k<br />
[21:43:10] &lt;cyberanger&gt; as baytes stepped down<br />
[21:43:32] * mac9416 seconds nomination of cyberanger <br />
[21:43:35] &lt;cyberanger&gt; vs binarymutant's unclear status & creating a title to not conflict<br />
[21:44:17] &lt;cyberanger&gt; if you feel we need to vote, we can (& it'd clear up some blurry lines)<br />
[21:44:31] &lt;mac9416&gt; I think we should.<br />
[21:45:07] &lt;cyberanger&gt; (wow, this has gone on way to long, we better not skip meetings again, that's half the reason, the other half is we had new bussiness too)<br />
[21:45:15] &lt;cyberanger&gt; ok<br />
[21:45:34] &lt;mac9416&gt; Yeah, let's rush through the rest. :-)<br />
[21:46:37] &lt;mac9416&gt; So, now to vote?<br />
[21:47:23] &lt;wrst&gt; please<br />
[21:47:46] &lt;cyberanger&gt; vote on a new active east tn. point of contact (same title as baytes, different from binarymutant, lookup that election for details on the job) since baytes resigned by announcement in irc on Jan. 12th 2010 (as inturpted by the log)<br />
[21:47:57] &lt;cyberanger&gt; sound right for a vote?<br />
[21:48:11] &lt;mac9416&gt; Yep.<br />
[21:48:13] &lt;cyberanger&gt; sorry, I too know the time, was typing it out<br />
[21:48:22] &lt;cyberanger&gt; better to get it right too<br />
[21:48:24] &lt;cyberanger&gt; ok<br />
[21:48:24] &lt;mac9416&gt; np, I figured you were. :-)<br />
[21:48:42] &lt;cyberanger&gt; [vote] vote on a new active east tn. point of contact (same title as baytes, different from binarymutant, lookup that election for details on the job) since baytes resigned by announcement in irc on Jan. 12th 2010 (as inturpted by the log)<br />
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[21:48:46] &lt;cyberanger&gt; +1<br />
[21:48:49] &lt;wrst&gt; +1<br />
[21:48:51] &lt;mac9416&gt; +1<br />
[21:48:55] &lt;ppb1701&gt; +1<br />
[21:49:05] &lt;linuxman410&gt; +1<br />
[21:49:16] &lt;cyberanger&gt; linuxman410: 5, who was 6<br />
[21:49:23] &lt;cyberanger&gt; oh, netritious left right<br />
[21:49:28] &lt;cyberanger&gt; [endvote]<br />
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[21:49:44] &lt;mac9416&gt; Now for a vote on who?<br />
[21:50:04] &lt;wrst&gt; can i go to bed now?<br />
[21:50:15] &lt;cyberanger&gt; {vote} vote cyberanger to fill the role, nominated by wrst & baytes<br />
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[21:50:19] &lt;mac9416&gt; +1<br />
[21:50:22] &lt;cyberanger&gt; wrst: almost<br />
[21:50:25] &lt;wrst&gt; +1<br />
[21:50:30] &lt;ppb1701&gt; +1<br />
[21:50:37] &lt;linuxman410&gt; +1<br />
[21:50:49] &lt;cyberanger&gt; oh snap, that wasn't supposed to be a vote with tags<br />
[21:50:54] &lt;cyberanger&gt; well, 4 outta 4<br />
[21:51:02] &lt;mac9416&gt; cyberanger, +0?<br />
[21:51:14] &lt;cyberanger&gt; I guess nobody had an issue with language or wished for another nominee<br />
[21:51:22] &lt;cyberanger&gt; sounds good then<br />
[21:51:24] &lt;cyberanger&gt; +<br />
[21:51:27] &lt;cyberanger&gt; +0<br />
[21:51:33] &lt;cyberanger&gt; [endvote]<br />
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[21:51:45] * wrst waves goodnight<br />
[21:51:51] &lt;cyberanger&gt; if someone see's an issue there, they can bring it up later<br />
[21:51:55] &lt;cyberanger&gt; wrst: night<br />
[21:51:57] &lt;mac9416&gt; G'night, wrst<br />
[21:52:03] &lt;cyberanger&gt; meeting done for now I suppose<br />
[21:52:04] &lt;ppb1701&gt; nite<br />
[21:52:17] &lt;mac9416&gt; cyberanger, did y'all talk about the boundaries yet?<br />
[21:52:22] &lt;cyberanger&gt; notes to bring up & I'll close<br />
[21:52:30] &lt;cyberanger&gt; mac9416: delayed<br />
[21:52:36] &lt;mac9416&gt; 10-4<br />
[21:52:40] &lt;cyberanger&gt; since this vote it was clear<br />
[21:52:49] &lt;mac9416&gt; k, I have nothing else.<br />
[21:53:03] &lt;cyberanger&gt; & also since I thought that important a matter for at least one poc to be involved<br />
[21:53:07] &lt;cyberanger&gt; or a trustee<br />
[21:53:15] &lt;mac9416&gt; Yeah.<br />
[21:53:40] &lt;cyberanger&gt; I didn't want to kill the meeting again, but I felt some matters were of a higher importance<br />
[21:53:45] &lt;cyberanger&gt; ok, note one<br />
[21:54:41] &lt;cyberanger&gt; freenode upgraded their network, this has a few pluses, one, more ways to deal with issues (irc ops are gone besides myself, so I'll brief them later) & ssl support<br />
[21:54:56] &lt;cyberanger&gt; so hotspots can be more secure<br />
[21:55:11] &lt;cyberanger&gt; note 2, the poc meetings are tbd atm<br />
[21:55:39] &lt;cyberanger&gt; so I'll see if I can get with them & set another up (try to thin out some agenda items then)<br />
[21:56:31] &lt;cyberanger&gt; & finally, thanks for your time, this was the first meeting in 2010, I'll see what I can do to shorten the next one<br />
[21:56:38] &lt;cyberanger&gt; [endmeeting]<br />
[21:56:42] &lt;cyberanger&gt; #endmeeting<br />
Meeting ended.<br />