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[10:01:59] &lt;skaet&gt; [Topic] Oneiric Release Meeting overview - skaet_<br />
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[10:01:59] &lt;skaet&gt; .<br />
[10:02:00] &lt;skaet&gt; Agenda is at:<br />
[10:02:00] &lt;skaet&gt; [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-06-17<br />
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[10:02:00] &lt;skaet&gt; Here is the new proposed regular agenda order.<br />
[10:02:00] &lt;skaet&gt; - QA team update -  pgraner or jibel<br />
[10:02:02] &lt;skaet&gt; - Hardware Certification team update - ara or brendand<br />
[10:02:04] &lt;skaet&gt; - Security team update - jdstrand<br />
[10:02:06] &lt;skaet&gt; - Kernel team update - ogasawara<br />
[10:02:08] &lt;skaet&gt; - Foundations team update - cjwatson<br />
[10:02:10] &lt;skaet&gt; - Server team update - Daviey<br />
[10:02:12] &lt;skaet&gt; - ARM team update - ogra<br />
[10:02:14] &lt;skaet&gt; - Linaro update - fabo<br />
[10:02:16] &lt;skaet&gt; - Ubuntu One Team -  Chickapa<br />
[10:02:18] &lt;skaet&gt; - Desktop Team update - pitti<br />
[10:02:20] &lt;skaet&gt; - Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth<br />
[10:02:24] &lt;skaet&gt; - Kubuntu Team update - ScottK<br />
[10:02:26] &lt;skaet&gt; - Edubuntu Team update -<br />
[10:02:28] &lt;skaet&gt; - Xubuntu Team update - charlie-tca<br />
[10:02:30] &lt;skaet&gt; - Any other teams?<br />
[10:02:31] &lt;skaet&gt; - Toolchain update - slangasek<br />
[10:02:33] &lt;skaet&gt; - MOTU team update - tumbleweed<br />
[10:02:36] &lt;skaet&gt; It is in the team agenda.  There's been one special request to shift around for today only from Server team.  ;)<br />
[10:02:39] &lt;skaet&gt; If there's no further feedback,  I'll update the calendar invite with the above order.<br />
[10:02:41] &lt;skaet&gt; .<br />
[10:02:43] &lt;skaet&gt; Events Approaching:<br />
[10:02:45] &lt;skaet&gt; - Debian Import Freeze: June 30, 2011<br />
[10:02:47] &lt;skaet&gt; - 10.04.3 Freeze: June 30, 2011<br />
[10:02:49] &lt;skaet&gt; - Oneiric Alpha 2: July 7, 2011<br />
[10:02:51] &lt;skaet&gt; .<br />
[10:02:54] &lt;skaet&gt; Bugs targetted for this release can be found:<br />
[10:02:56] &lt;skaet&gt; [LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+bugs<br />
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[10:02:58] &lt;skaet&gt; Bugs milestoned for oneiric alpha 2 are at:<br />
[10:03:00] &lt;skaet&gt; [LINK] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/oneiric-alpha-2<br />
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[10:03:02] &lt;skaet&gt; .<br />
[10:03:04] &lt;skaet&gt; New status site is now up,  and final tweaking of the configs is in progress.<br />
[10:03:06] &lt;skaet&gt; [LINK]http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/<br />
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[10:03:08] &lt;skaet&gt; Documentation on how to set up a "topic-" page is available at:<br />
[10:03:10] &lt;skaet&gt; [LINK]http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TopicHowTo/<br />
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[10:03:12] &lt;skaet&gt; .<br />
[10:03:14] &lt;skaet&gt; Reminder:   please use ".." on separate line when you've finished typing.   If someone wants to comment during the updates, please "o/", so we know to wait.<br />
[10:03:17] &lt;skaet&gt; questions?<br />
[10:03:19] &lt;skaet&gt; ..<br />
[10:04:21] &lt;skaet&gt; ok, lets move into round table then....<br />
[10:04:56] &lt;skaet&gt; [Topic] QA team update -  pgraner<br />
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[10:05:29] * skaet looks around for pgraner or jibel...  hmm?<br />
[10:05:45] &lt;skaet&gt; [Topic] Hardware Certification team update - brendand<br />
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[10:06:17] &lt;brendand&gt; All I can report is that we've started testing the proposed Maverick kernel<br />
[10:06:50] &lt;brendand&gt; ...<br />
[10:07:20] &lt;skaet&gt; thanks brendand.   Which oneiric daily do you intend to start testing next week?<br />
[10:07:50] &lt;brendand&gt; tbh, i don't know<br />
[10:08:12] &lt;brendand&gt; i believe we always use current<br />
[10:08:24] &lt;brendand&gt; so it will depend on which day we start<br />
[10:08:38] &lt;skaet&gt; do you know which day is likely?<br />
[10:10:32] &lt;brendand&gt; i don't<br />
[10:10:38] &lt;skaet&gt; brendand,  no worries, I'll follow up with you and ara then offline,  and we'll move on for now.<br />
[10:10:50] &lt;skaet&gt; [Topic] Security team update - jdstrand<br />
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[10:11:45] &lt;jdstrand&gt; hi<br />
[10:11:50] &lt;skaet&gt; hi  :)<br />
[10:11:58] &lt;jdstrand&gt; [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric<br />
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[10:11:59] &lt;jdstrand&gt; [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-security.html<br />
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[10:12:06] &lt;jdstrand&gt; We are currently under the trend line for our blueprints. We've had a skeleton crew this week, and our team is mostly concentrating on updates atm, and getting to work items as we can fit them in. I fixed a milestoned libvirt regression (bug #795800) and my patch was accepted upstream. Looking at the (rather long) list of oneiric bugs, I don't see anything else worth highlighting.<br />
[10:12:08] &lt;ubottu&gt; Launchpad bug 795800 in libvirt (Ubuntu Oneiric) "virsh save fails on oneiric when the apparmor security driver is enabled" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/795800<br />
[10:12:12] &lt;jdstrand&gt; ..<br />
[10:12:33] &lt;skaet&gt; thanks jdstrand<br />
[10:12:48] &lt;skaet&gt; we're talking about getting the list cleaned up a bit off line.<br />
[10:13:10] &lt;jdstrand&gt; cool<br />
[10:13:32] &lt;skaet&gt; any questions for jdstrand<br />
[10:13:34] &lt;skaet&gt; ?<br />
[10:13:52] &lt;skaet&gt; [Topic] Kernel team update - ogasawara<br />
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[10:14:45] * skaet looks around for ogasawara or apw?<br />
[10:14:54] * apw is here<br />
[10:15:07] &lt;skaet&gt; apw,  any update from kernel team prep'd?<br />
[10:15:15] &lt;apw&gt; Overall status is reported at the first link below.  Burn down for the release milestone is at the second link below.  Burndown for the cycle is at the third link:<br />
[10:15:21] &lt;apw&gt; [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric<br />
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[10:15:21] &lt;apw&gt; [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-kernel-team-oneiric-alpha-2.html<br />
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[10:15:21] &lt;apw&gt; [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-kernel-team.svg<br />
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[10:15:28] &lt;apw&gt; We are making solid if slow progress on our Alpha-2 work items.  Those items which are slipping are non-release critical related to upstreaming older patches.  The oneiric kernel is now at v3.0-1.2 which is based on the v3.0-rc3 upstream snapshot.  We continue to track a small number of version number related issues, the latest in nfs-utils.<br />
[10:15:34] &lt;apw&gt; Of the bugs called out on the agenda against the kernel, status is as below:<br />
[10:15:38] &lt;apw&gt; #754711 investigation continues, upstream not currently responding,<br />
[10:15:41] &lt;apw&gt; #542660 seems that the issue is triggered by bugs in the EFI boot some fixes may be in 3.0 needs testing,<br />
[10:15:45] &lt;apw&gt; #760131 local testing looks good with newer 3.0 kernels, some fixes expected via stable for 2.6.38,<br />
[10:15:48] &lt;apw&gt; #791552 appears to be fallout from the switch to newer gcc versions where 'undefined behaviour' has changed, upstream still discussing resolutions, and<br />
[10:15:51] &lt;apw&gt; #796892 likely this is due to an out of date Oneiric ti-omap4 kernel, test kernels being prepared.<br />
[10:15:53] &lt;apw&gt; ..<br />
[10:16:06] &lt;skaet&gt; thanks apw! :)<br />
[10:16:31] &lt;skaet&gt; any questions?<br />
[10:16:54] &lt;skaet&gt; [Topic] Foundations team update - cjwatson<br />
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[10:18:58] * skaet looks around for cjwatson?<br />
[10:19:07] &lt;tumbleweed&gt; he was around in #ubuntu-motu 5 mins ago<br />
[10:19:14] &lt;cjwatson&gt; sorry, one moment<br />
[10:19:21] &lt;cjwatson&gt; Feature progress this week:<br />
[10:19:40] &lt;cjwatson&gt;  * foundations-o-dhpython-transitions: We have good wiki documentation on doing conversions now.  dh_python2 migration underway and making steady progress (bug 788514, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/dh-python2.html); bug jam planned.<br />
[10:19:41] &lt;ubottu&gt; Launchpad bug 788514 in Ubuntu Oneiric "python packages on the CDs not using dh_python2" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/788514<br />
[10:19:44] &lt;cjwatson&gt;  * foundations-o-live-build: Landed.  A few regressions, but mostly sorted out now.<br />
[10:19:47] &lt;cjwatson&gt;  * foundations-o-great-cd-debate: Switched to hybrid CD/USB images.  amd64 builds regressed but are fixed now.<br />
[10:19:50] &lt;cjwatson&gt;  * foundations-o-python-versions: Discussing Python 3 CD size issues.  It looks as though removing .pyc files from the livefs will offset the extra size of Python 3, although this will need some care.<br />
[10:19:54] &lt;cjwatson&gt;  * foundations-o-wubi: Doing design work and planning slideshow changes.  Removed Windows entries from the Wubi boot menu (which is already chainloaded from Windows).<br />
[10:19:57] &lt;cjwatson&gt;  * foundations-o-multiarch-next-steps: Trying to keep up with syncs from Debian as they land multiarch patches.  Some GCC fixes.<br />
[10:20:01] &lt;cjwatson&gt;  * packageselection-foundations-n-event-based-initramfs: Continuing work on initctl pivot command.<br />
[10:20:04] &lt;cjwatson&gt;  * foundations-o-application-sandboxing: Arkose 1.0 released (http://www.stgraber.org/2011/06/14/app-containing-on-the-modern-linux-desktop/); implemented X, dbus, and pulseaudio sandboxing support.<br />
[10:20:08] &lt;cjwatson&gt;  * upstart: Upstart 1.3 released (Ubuntu merge in progress).  Discussion on job aliases and "chkconfig-like" tool.  Working on shutdown improvements.<br />
[10:20:11] &lt;cjwatson&gt;  * java: Evaluating JamVM test rebuild failures.<br />
[10:20:14] &lt;cjwatson&gt;  * software-center: Lots of planning with design team.<br />
[10:20:16] &lt;cjwatson&gt;  * apport: Hook for software-center; include /var in disk checks.<br />
[10:20:19] &lt;cjwatson&gt; Bugs:<br />
[10:20:21] &lt;cjwatson&gt;  * bug 597673, bug 644198, bug 791883: We'll look at these next week (Evan has been at the QA sprint all week so the installer's been a bit short-staffed).<br />
[10:20:24] &lt;cjwatson&gt;  * bug 774999: Michael is on this as of today.<br />
[10:20:26] &lt;ubottu&gt; Launchpad bug 597673 in console-cyrillic (Ubuntu Oneiric) "console-cyrillic changes settings on consoles it doesn't own, causing crashes with plymouth + X" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/597673<br />
[10:20:27] &lt;cjwatson&gt;  * bug 797555: Not actually ours to fix, just requested by us.  Incidentally, I'm told that Canonical folks would be better off requesting manual bootstrap builds like this through RT rather than Launchpad.<br />
[10:20:28] &lt;ubottu&gt; Launchpad bug 644198 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Ubuntu LIve Cd does not enable bluetooth before choice menu in live-cd" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/644198<br />
[10:20:29] &lt;ubottu&gt; Launchpad bug 791883 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Oneiric) "ubi-console-setup.py:set_keyboard() gets error 141 (crashes) in Kubuntu" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/791883<br />
[10:20:30] &lt;ubottu&gt; Launchpad bug 774999 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "[i865G] Upgrade should warn user about lack of support for old 8xx intel hardware" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/774999<br />
[10:20:31] &lt;cjwatson&gt; ..<br />
[10:20:31] &lt;ubottu&gt; Launchpad bug 797555 in libjboss-buildmagic-java (Ubuntu Oneiric) "libjboss-buildmagic-java needs a manual build using the unstable binaries" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/797555<br />
[10:20:55] &lt;skaet&gt; Thanks cjwatson!  :)<br />
[10:21:32] &lt;mvo&gt; I'm on #774999<br />
[10:22:33] &lt;skaet&gt; Thanks for the bug updates,  looks like we should be good going into the rally then.   :)<br />
[10:22:49] &lt;skaet&gt; any questions for cjwatson?<br />
[10:23:07] &lt;skaet&gt; (and thanks mvo, :) )<br />
[10:23:36] &lt;skaet&gt; ok,  skipping server for now,  per request,  will pick it up at end.<br />
[10:23:47] &lt;skaet&gt; [Topic] ARM team update - ogra_<br />
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[10:23:54] &lt;ogra_&gt; oh, thats me :)<br />
[10:23:59] &lt;skaet&gt; :)<br />
[10:24:04] &lt;ogra_&gt; Detatiled Status is at:<br />
[10:24:04] &lt;ogra_&gt;  * https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARMTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric<br />
[10:24:05] &lt;ogra_&gt; --<br />
[10:24:05] &lt;ogra_&gt; Summary:<br />
[10:24:05] &lt;ogra_&gt;  * QA from Ubuntu ARM attended the QA sprint in London last week.<br />
[10:24:05] &lt;ogra_&gt;  * Additionally to the normal netinstall images, work on mini isos for netinstall has happened, also omap4 support was merged into debian-installer now<br />
[10:24:08] &lt;ogra_&gt;  * Further netboot work is waiting for some linaro u-boot ode to land in the archive.<br />
[10:24:10] &lt;ogra_&gt;  * Work on adding the ship seed (preinstall pool) to preinstalled images has been started<br />
[10:24:12] &lt;ogra_&gt;  * SD speed optimizations are being merged right now.<br />
[10:24:14] &lt;ogra_&gt;  * A lot research of the broken USB support with gcc 4.6 has been done by ppisati but is still unfruitful yet.<br />
[10:24:19] &lt;ogra_&gt;  * Work on fixing the kernel/bootloader postinst handling has started.<br />
[10:24:21] &lt;ogra_&gt; --<br />
[10:24:23] &lt;ogra_&gt; Image Status<br />
[10:24:25] &lt;ogra_&gt;  * Desktop images are currently at 1G which is slightly to big and being investigated<br />
[10:24:27] &lt;ogra_&gt;  * Headless/serial images build fine.<br />
[10:24:29] &lt;ogra_&gt; --<br />
[10:24:31] &lt;ogra_&gt; Specs<br />
[10:24:33] &lt;ogra_&gt;  * Entire http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel.html<br />
[10:24:35] &lt;ogra_&gt;  * A2 http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel-oneiric-alpha-2.html<br />
[10:24:37] &lt;ogra_&gt; --<br />
[10:24:39] &lt;ogra_&gt; Bugs:<br />
[10:24:41] &lt;ogra_&gt;  * bug 791552 is slowly getting critical<br />
[10:24:42] &lt;ubottu&gt; Launchpad bug 791552 in linux (Ubuntu Oneiric) "No USB support on beagle/beagleXM" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/791552<br />
[10:24:43] &lt;ogra_&gt; --<br />
[10:24:52] &lt;ogra_&gt; for the question about armhf from last week i just talked to the guys in #linaro-armhf ...<br />
[10:25:26] &lt;ogra_&gt; seems the hope is to have a minimal armhf image for oneiric if time permits ... but at least to try to get something bootstrappable ready<br />
[10:26:17] &lt;ogra_&gt; ..<br />
[10:26:23] &lt;skaet&gt; Thanks ogra_ !  :)<br />
[10:26:50] &lt;skaet&gt; I'll mark that action item done then.   And not look at modifying the image testing list for this release.<br />
[10:27:14] &lt;ogra_&gt; yeah, i dont think we will se anything that we can call official<br />
[10:27:25] &lt;ogra_&gt; but something for the curious to test :)<br />
[10:27:38] * skaet nods <br />
[10:28:10] &lt;skaet&gt; something for the curious is always good though :)<br />
[10:28:14] &lt;ogra_&gt; :)<br />
[10:28:18] &lt;skaet&gt; any questions for ogra_ ?<br />
[10:28:45] &lt;skaet&gt; [Topic] Linaro update - fabo<br />
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[10:29:42] &lt;fabo&gt; Linaro GCC 4.6 and 4.5 2011.06 released.<br />
[10:30:00] &lt;fabo&gt; [LINK] http://launchpad.net/gcc-linaro/4.5/4.5-2011.06-0/+download/gcc-linaro-4.5-2011.06-0.tar.bz2<br />
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[10:30:17] &lt;fabo&gt; [LINK] http://launchpad.net/gcc-linaro/4.6/4.6-2011.06-0/+download/gcc-linaro-4.6-2011.06-0.tar.bz2<br />
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[10:30:30] &lt;fabo&gt; Linaro QEMU 2011.06 released.<br />
[10:30:47] &lt;fabo&gt; [LINK] http://launchpad.net/qemu-linaro/trunk/2011.06/+download/qemu-linaro-0.14.50-2011.06-0.tar.gz<br />
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[10:31:34] &lt;fabo&gt; Linaro Kernel is freezed on June 23rd for the 11.06 release.<br />
[10:31:56] &lt;fabo&gt; it's based on 2.6.39<br />
[10:33:04] &lt;fabo&gt; Linaro 11.06 release is planned on June 30th.<br />
[10:33:24] &lt;fabo&gt; any questions?<br />
[10:34:41] &lt;skaet&gt; Thanks fabo!   good data.  :)<br />
[10:35:06] &lt;skaet&gt; you answered mine ;)<br />
[10:35:14] &lt;fabo&gt; :)<br />
[10:35:14] &lt;skaet&gt; anyone else?<br />
[10:35:33] &lt;skaet&gt; [Topic] Ubuntu One Team -  Chipaca<br />
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[10:35:45] &lt;Chipaca&gt; Hi<br />
[10:35:50] &lt;skaet&gt; :)<br />
[10:36:09] &lt;Chipaca&gt; The Ubuntu One installer is currently going through design; engineering work hasn't started yet. Very early days.<br />
[10:36:47] &lt;Chipaca&gt; (it's a 'shim' that'll enable us to do the rapid updates we need, plus some text as to why using u1 is a good idea, etc)<br />
[10:37:01] &lt;pitti&gt; Chipaca: U1 installer> is that for the external PPA? I thought the agreement was to provide updates as SRUs, possibly with bundled libraries and translations?<br />
[10:37:53] &lt;Chipaca&gt; this'll be a step back in how close we've worked (similar to how we worked in 8.04 iirc), while we work out something better in the long term<br />
[10:38:38] &lt;Chipaca&gt; pitti: this is an external ppa. we will be providing updates via SRUs and backports and etc, but none of the solutions gets us all the way<br />
[10:38:44] &lt;Chipaca&gt; so we have to do them all<br />
[10:39:31] &lt;Chipaca&gt; the code itself is not that much, and should be ready in a couple of weeks<br />
[10:39:39] &lt;Chipaca&gt; (but, this is not an estimate)<br />
[10:39:47] &lt;pitti&gt; for the record, I don't approve this with either my desktop TL nor SRU hat on; if we can't provide it with an SRU with bundled libs and translations, we mustn't provide it at all<br />
[10:39:49] &lt;Chipaca&gt; i think that is all<br />
[10:40:48] &lt;wendar&gt; pitti: let's wait and see the full details of their plan<br />
[10:41:31] &lt;skaet&gt; Thanks for the update Chipaca.  :)   Sounds like there will be more discussion going forward.<br />
[10:41:35] &lt;Chipaca&gt; i can get into some details (not sure if this is the venue), not all of them have been worked out, but it seems pitti's objection is deeper<br />
[10:42:06] &lt;Chipaca&gt; pitti: you want to talk after the meeting?<br />
[10:42:11] &lt;pitti&gt; we can also do that by mail, easier<br />
[10:42:14] &lt;wendar&gt; Chipaca: yes, let's continue discussing in email<br />
[10:42:22] * skaet nods<br />
[10:42:32] &lt;Chipaca&gt; ok<br />
[10:42:33] &lt;Chipaca&gt; ..<br />
[10:42:48] &lt;skaet&gt; any other questions for Chipaca?<br />
[10:43:09] &lt;skaet&gt; [Topic] Desktop Team update - pitti<br />
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[10:43:20] &lt;pitti&gt; Landed new X.org versions<br />
[10:43:23] &lt;pitti&gt; Landed the first bits of GNOME 3.1.x, starting with the lower-level libraries (GTK, etc.); we expect to start with, the UI bits in the next two weeks, now that we have a resonably stable GNOME 3.0 in oneiric.<br />
[10:43:33] &lt;pitti&gt; CD space situation: We are 5 (amd64) / 9 (i386 MB oversized again, due to the new Mono transition, new mesa GLES support, and an extra 1 MB due to the new CD format; we expect 4.5 MB growth from new X.org gallium drivers with LLVM, and potential growth of ~ 6 to 10 MB for thunderbird (not firmly decided yet). We already implemented many of the biggest space savings (removing icons, removing less<br />
[10:43:35] &lt;pitti&gt; important software), though. Completing the Mono transition will give us back some 2 MB, and we just discovered that we can free some 12 MB by dropping *.pyc files from the squashfs and regenerate them at install time.<br />
[10:43:47] &lt;pitti&gt; Slow progress on RC bugs, as we are concentrating on updating the platform and getting work items done in this period, and there are no real showstopper bugs right now: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus#rcbugs<br />
[10:43:52] &lt;pitti&gt; The most tricky bugs right now are:<br />
[10:43:55] &lt;pitti&gt; - bug 772873: Not really something new, but seems to have aggravated; we don't have someone who knows enough about compositing and VNC to do much about it, so we can only wait for upstream there.<br />
[10:43:58] &lt;pitti&gt; - bug 787694: This is a prerequisite for a tight integration of the Ubuntu settings panels into the GNOME control center; however, this is still being discussed, it could also be that we drop the control center shell and provide a unity lens for it, in which case this wouldn't be needed.<br />
[10:44:02] &lt;ubottu&gt; Launchpad bug 772873 in vino (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Vino does not work with compositing" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/772873<br />
[10:44:03] &lt;ubottu&gt; Launchpad bug 787694 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu Oneiric) "GNOME 3 System Settings: Allow Python Programs (or general programs) as embedded capplet" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/787694<br />
[10:45:38] &lt;skaet&gt; ..?<br />
[10:46:33] &lt;pitti&gt; ..<br />
[10:46:35] &lt;pitti&gt; sorry<br />
[10:46:47] * pitti should add that to his c&p report<br />
[10:46:52] &lt;skaet&gt; pitti, does it make sense to leave 772873 milestoned at A2,  since we're waiting on upstream.<br />
[10:46:54] &lt;skaet&gt; :)<br />
[10:46:59] &lt;pitti&gt; it's not<br />
[10:47:10] &lt;pitti&gt; it doesn't make sense, no; it's by far not a milestone blocker<br />
[10:47:42] &lt;pitti&gt; we do have one milestone blocker which causes empathy and deja-dup to get unusably slow, but it's not reported as a bug yet (fix is being worked on upstream)<br />
[10:48:02] &lt;skaet&gt; thanks for the heads up.<br />
[10:48:02] &lt;pitti&gt; we had several bugs which are true milestone blockers, but we usually get them fixed within days anyway<br />
[10:48:49] * skaet nods<br />
[10:48:55] &lt;skaet&gt; any other questions for pitti?<br />
[10:49:14] &lt;skaet&gt; [Topic] Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth<br />
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[10:49:29] &lt;dbarth&gt; hi<br />
[10:49:32] &lt;skaet&gt; hi :)<br />
[10:49:38] &lt;dbarth&gt; report as usual at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/OneiricReleaseStatus<br />
[10:49:55] &lt;dbarth&gt; in short, we're finally making tarballs and releasing parts into oneiric<br />
[10:50:05] &lt;dbarth&gt; new unity-2d https://launchpad.net/unity-2d/+milestone/3.8.8<br />
[10:50:21] &lt;dbarth&gt; new unity-gl<br />
[10:50:32] &lt;dbarth&gt; new overlay scrollbar https://launchpad.net/ayatana-scrollbar/0.2/0.2.1<br />
[10:50:41] &lt;dbarth&gt; New sound API update, with accompanying sound indicator: https://launchpad.net/indicator-sound/fourth/0.7.1<br />
[10:51:04] &lt;dbarth&gt; also a couple of touch libs updates: utouch-grail 2.0.0 and utouch-geis 2.1.0 to Oneiric<br />
[10:51:13] &lt;dbarth&gt; see the report for further details<br />
[10:51:32] &lt;dbarth&gt; there are a couple FTBS and issues that are being worked on by chase and cjwatson i think<br />
[10:51:48] &lt;dbarth&gt; a few thngs are late however<br />
[10:52:08] &lt;dbarth&gt; libgrip, gtk23shim; we'll do better next week<br />
[10:52:27] &lt;dbarth&gt; also, at last we landed the natty SRUs for unity<br />
[10:52:54] &lt;dbarth&gt; and the cert team has been able to confirm the changes do fix a good part of the garbled screen bug<br />
[10:53:14] &lt;dbarth&gt; the multi-monitor part is still being investigated, but it's at the driver level now, we're almost sure<br />
[10:53:21] &lt;dbarth&gt; ..<br />
[10:53:32] &lt;cjwatson&gt; there was a dpkg bug which broke a load of stuff (much broader than only DX), fixed an hour or so ago<br />
[10:54:06] &lt;dbarth&gt; ok thanks, cnd will retry uploads soon<br />
[10:54:25] &lt;skaet&gt; Thank dbarth.  :)  any update on the bugs - will the new drops fix some of them?<br />
[10:55:07] &lt;dbarth&gt; the bugs fixed are attached in the release notes of the upload (SRUs)<br />
[10:55:20] &lt;dbarth&gt; and for oneiric, there are also quite a few that are fixed<br />
[10:55:26] &lt;dbarth&gt; in unity-2d i have the link handy<br />
[10:55:37] &lt;dbarth&gt; for unity-gl i'm still waiting for the actual upload to have the full list<br />
[10:55:45] &lt;dbarth&gt; but it will come as a set of milestoned bugs as well<br />
[10:56:14] &lt;ogra_&gt; i noticed that we default to have composite on in metacity for unity-2d, that breaks a lot of apps that use fake transparency (i.e. gksudo has a black background instead of a transparent one)<br />
[10:56:23] &lt;ogra_&gt; do you plan to keep that on ?<br />
[10:56:43] &lt;ogra_&gt; if so, such apps will likely need to be touched<br />
[10:57:02] &lt;dbarth&gt; ogra_: ah ok<br />
[10:57:12] &lt;dbarth&gt; ogra_: hmm<br />
[10:57:30] &lt;dbarth&gt; if there are loads of them, adding unity-2d tasks may be a bit difficult to deal with<br />
[10:57:39] &lt;dbarth&gt; ogra_: can we see the list offline with Kaleo?<br />
[10:57:41] &lt;ogra_&gt; i dont think there are loads<br />
[10:57:55] &lt;dbarth&gt; to assess whether we can fix the apps, or need to revert to non-composite by default<br />
[10:58:10] &lt;ogra_&gt; for now i noticed gksu only, but i guess you will see it with other apps that dont use proper compositing<br />
[10:58:30] &lt;ogra_&gt; xchat might be affected<br />
[10:58:39] &lt;ogra_&gt; (havent tested that)<br />
[10:58:47] &lt;ogra_&gt; but yeah, lets take that offline<br />
[10:59:09] &lt;ogra_&gt; ..<br />
[10:59:13] &lt;skaet&gt; thanks dbarth, ogra_   :)<br />
[10:59:19] &lt;dbarth&gt; ok<br />
[10:59:33] &lt;skaet&gt; any other questions for dbarth ?<br />
[10:59:58] &lt;skaet&gt; [Topic] Kubuntu Team update - ScottK<br />
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[11:01:04] * skaet lookin around, but sees ScottK's marked away<br />
[11:01:16] &lt;tumbleweed&gt; last I saw, he said he was in an airport, with spotty wifi<br />
[11:01:33] &lt;tumbleweed&gt; presumably gone<br />
[11:01:53] &lt;skaet&gt; thanks tumbleweed,  guess we'll move on.<br />
[11:02:05] &lt;skaet&gt; [Topic] Edubuntu Team update<br />
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[11:03:28] &lt;skaet&gt; [Topic] Xubuntu Team update - charlie-tca<br />
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[11:04:02] &lt;charlie-tca&gt; Xubuntu goals for Oneiric are defined at<br />
[11:04:04] &lt;charlie-tca&gt; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Oneiric/DeltaReviewAndCleanup<br />
[11:04:06] &lt;charlie-tca&gt; This is what we will use instead of blueprints.<br />
[11:04:08] &lt;charlie-tca&gt; Xubuntu is trying to cut as many gnome dependencies as we can for Oneiric, since Xfce will stay at GTK2.<br />
[11:04:43] &lt;charlie-tca&gt; We don't have any bugs to add at this time, since we haven't any images to determine if bugs are valid.<br />
[11:04:56] &lt;charlie-tca&gt; ..<br />
[11:05:21] &lt;skaet&gt; Thanks charlie-tca!  :)<br />
[11:05:32] &lt;skaet&gt; Any specific blockers on why you don't have images?<br />
[11:05:48] &lt;charlie-tca&gt; no, just the change to the builds, I believe.<br />
[11:06:02] &lt;charlie-tca&gt; cjwatson has been working on the images.<br />
[11:06:22] &lt;ogra_&gt; that should have settled by now ...<br />
[11:06:40] &lt;charlie-tca&gt; some of the fixes just got finished today<br />
[11:07:08] &lt;cjwatson&gt; you got an i386 image yesterday<br />
[11:07:31] &lt;cjwatson&gt; but yeah, there've been a few problems, I don't have any open ones at the moment<br />
[11:07:37] &lt;charlie-tca&gt; It still had the partitioning error. You respun Ubuntu, but not ours<br />
[11:07:55] &lt;charlie-tca&gt; The only image today was the 386 alternate<br />
[11:07:56] &lt;cjwatson&gt; true<br />
[11:08:10] &lt;cjwatson&gt; today's was bitten by the dpkg multiarch/triggers failure<br />
[11:08:16] &lt;cjwatson&gt; not actually a cdimage problem as such<br />
[11:08:18] &lt;charlie-tca&gt; Then I have no images<br />
[11:08:31] &lt;cjwatson&gt; such is life in a development cycle<br />
[11:08:36] &lt;charlie-tca&gt; agreed<br />
[11:08:50] &lt;charlie-tca&gt; I am patient. Hopefully, monday will be better<br />
[11:09:08] &lt;cjwatson&gt; you just have to keep squashing build problems with alacrity<br />
[11:09:53] &lt;skaet&gt; thanks charlie-tca, cjwatson - fingers crossed for better images next week.<br />
[11:10:01] &lt;skaet&gt; any other questions for charlie-tca?<br />
[11:10:26] &lt;skaet&gt; [Topic] Toolchain update - slangasek<br />
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[11:10:33] &lt;slangasek&gt; hi there<br />
[11:10:36] &lt;skaet&gt; :)<br />
[11:11:00] &lt;slangasek&gt; the big thing in the pipe right now is that doko is evaluating eglibc 2.14<br />
[11:11:41] &lt;slangasek&gt; the known breakage this will bring is that rpc support is disabled by default in 2.14, so anything that needs rpc headers would need to start build-depending on libtirpc instead<br />
[11:12:43] &lt;slangasek&gt; otherwise, not much movement this week; I don't have an eta on when we'll be starting full-archive rebuild tests<br />
[11:13:02] &lt;slangasek&gt; ..<br />
[11:13:13] &lt;skaet&gt; Thanks slangasek! :)<br />
[11:13:47] &lt;skaet&gt; appreciate the head's up on eglibc 2.14 breakage.<br />
[11:13:51] &lt;skaet&gt; any questions?<br />
[11:14:15] &lt;skaet&gt; [Topic] MOTU team update - tumbleweed<br />
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[11:14:27] &lt;tumbleweed&gt; hi<br />
[11:14:29] &lt;tumbleweed&gt; Universe plods along, as ever.<br />
[11:14:32] &lt;tumbleweed&gt; Toyed with some approaches to monitor FTBFSs. skaet suggested linking FTBFS bugs to a blueprint for a burndown table, but the LP API doesn't permit that.<br />
[11:14:37] &lt;tumbleweed&gt; (And we need some automated cleanup of bugs tagged ftbfs when a build succeeds before that would be accurate)<br />
[11:14:44] &lt;tumbleweed&gt; I've started collecting the csv files qa.ubuntuwire spits out, and will do some historical graphing from them.<br />
[11:14:47] &lt;tumbleweed&gt; Getting that on ubuntuwire would be nice, anyone know if the source is public?<br />
[11:14:55] &lt;tumbleweed&gt; nigelb and iamfuzz have a preliminary list of linker-related issuse suitable for a fixing-jam announc<br />
[11:14:58] &lt;tumbleweed&gt; ement.<br />
[11:15:01] &lt;tumbleweed&gt; ..<br />
[11:15:15] &lt;skaet&gt; Thanks tumbleweed! :)<br />
[11:15:47] &lt;skaet&gt; Looking forward to seeing what the graphing looks like from the csv files.<br />
[11:15:56] &lt;skaet&gt; any questions for tumbleweed ?<br />
[11:16:02] &lt;tumbleweed&gt; it'll take a few weeks before they are interesting<br />
[11:16:17] * skaet nods<br />
[11:16:46] &lt;skaet&gt; am not sure who can help on the ubuntuwire side, but will poke around<br />
[11:16:51] &lt;nigelb&gt; tumbleweed: there's #ubuntuwire for talking to ubuntuwire folks<br />
[11:17:02] &lt;skaet&gt; thanks nigelb :)<br />
[11:17:11] &lt;tumbleweed&gt; nigelb: yeah, and I think /ftbfs/ is james_ws<br />
[11:17:58] &lt;skaet&gt; any other questions?<br />
[11:18:07] &lt;skaet&gt; [Topic] Community input on Q/R dates - wendar<br />
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[11:19:23] * skaet looks around for wendar?<br />
[11:19:24] &lt;wendar&gt; Summary:<br />
[11:19:39] &lt;wendar&gt;  * Feature Freeze date more relevant than release date for most development, but some upstreams align with our cycle and make bug fix releases after FF.<br />
[11:19:39] &lt;wendar&gt;  * End of the month better for likely KDE upstream schedule, for bug fix releases.<br />
[11:19:39] &lt;wendar&gt;  * Halloween gets +2 for being home, no votes for being at UDS that week.<br />
[11:20:30] &lt;wendar&gt; Are there other points people would like to add to that list?<br />
[11:21:22] &lt;skaet&gt; ..?<br />
[11:22:25] &lt;wendar&gt; Then I'll hand the input off to our Release Manager for consideration.<br />
[11:22:45] &lt;skaet&gt; Thanks wendar<br />
[11:22:56] &lt;Daviey&gt; ... /me is checking the dates for the next Openstack Design Summit, last UDS caused issues with that.<br />
[11:23:54] &lt;cjwatson&gt; wendar: too close to end of the month for final releases causes high bandwidth costs because the payment stretches across two calendar months, I'm told<br />
[11:23:55] &lt;skaet&gt; will check in with a few of the other stakeholders,  and then make some revisions.   Appreciate your gathering and summarizing of the input :)<br />
[11:24:06] &lt;cjwatson&gt; so it would be best not right at the end if possible<br />
[11:24:20] &lt;skaet&gt; good point cjwatson.<br />
[11:24:24] &lt;cjwatson&gt; (that's just final release, FF obviously doesn't matter in that way)<br />
[11:24:55] &lt;skaet&gt; anyone else have comments?<br />
[11:25:15] &lt;skaet&gt; [Topic] Server team update - Daviey<br />
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[11:25:18] &lt;Daviey&gt; o/<br />
[11:25:22] &lt;skaet&gt; :)<br />
[11:25:25] &lt;Daviey&gt; Hello!<br />
[11:25:25] &lt;Daviey&gt; == Feature Work: == * To enable tracking, for the core server deliverables we have added a topic:<br />
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[11:25:28] &lt;Daviey&gt; http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-server-overview.html<br />
[11:25:31] &lt;Daviey&gt; We do need to reset the trend line and this is still WIP to fully give a rounded overview.<br />
[11:25:34] &lt;Daviey&gt; Generally, progress on the feature work has been quite good.  It feels it has slowed this week, as we have hit a few walls.  However, we are bouncing onwards and upwards.<br />
[11:25:37] &lt;Daviey&gt; * server-o-cobbler-next-steps - Most of the A2 commitments are DONE * server-o-drop-vmbuilder - Blocked on direction * server-o-ensemble - Most of declared commitments are either DONE or well under way INPROGRESS (awaiting zookeeper related work in Debian) * server-o-ubuntu-orchestra-server - largely meta blueprint, but making OK progress.<br />
[11:25:42] &lt;Daviey&gt;  * server-o-arm-erver - NCommander is driving this.  Not beent able to sync since last meeting. Will follow up on. * server-o-openstack - Heavy burden on MIR's.  Oh joy. * server-o-boot-experience - My understanding that this is make slow progress, need evaluate. * server-o-puppet-integration - adam_g spent a while onsite with puppet, and is collecting the achieved work; and hoping to showcase it soon.<br />
[11:25:48] &lt;Daviey&gt; == Bugs: == - Comment: Incoming bug count for Oneirc is low. Natty incoming is higher. :(<br />
[11:25:51] &lt;Daviey&gt; Bug 791454 - Needs to be reproduced.. not yet been looked at.  Will be a priority first part of next week.<br />
[11:25:52] &lt;ubottu&gt; Launchpad bug 791454 in mdadm (Ubuntu) "Oneiric Alpha1 Server x86 and x86_64 RAID1 Test Failed: Device need to be readded manually" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/791454<br />
[11:25:54] &lt;Daviey&gt; ..<br />
[11:26:21] &lt;skaet&gt; Thanks Daviey !  :)<br />
[11:26:25] &lt;Daviey&gt; pah, line break fail.<br />
[11:26:42] &lt;skaet&gt; heh,  it was readable<br />
[11:26:47] &lt;skaet&gt; which is appreciated<br />
[11:27:31] &lt;skaet&gt; looks pretty good for this point in the cycle.<br />
[11:27:34] &lt;skaet&gt; any questions?<br />
[11:27:50] &lt;Daviey&gt; none from me.<br />
[11:27:56] &lt;Daviey&gt; any to me? :)<br />
[11:27:57] &lt;skaet&gt; :)<br />
[11:28:09] &lt;skaet&gt; any questions for Daviey ?<br />
[11:28:11] &lt;skaet&gt; lol<br />
[11:28:25] &lt;skaet&gt; [TOPIC] any other business?<br />
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[11:28:39] &lt;skaet&gt; I'm going to be on vacation next week.<br />
[11:28:53] &lt;skaet&gt; wendar has kindly agreed to host this meeting.<br />
[11:29:26] &lt;skaet&gt; any agenda changes,  etc.  please address to her next week.<br />
[11:29:27] &lt;skaet&gt; ..<br />
[11:29:32] &lt;Daviey&gt; skaet: have fun!<br />
[11:29:48] &lt;skaet&gt; Daviey, :)  yup will do.<br />
[11:29:53] &lt;skaet&gt; anything else?<br />
[11:30:05] &lt;skaet&gt; #endmeeting<br />
Meeting ended.<br />